Re: Gates.. Bottom line. Cops with big egos like Crowley cost cities big money in lawsuits. And

its just bad business. Especially with minorities fast becoming majorities. Who can afford such big payouts for misconduct.

A few years back there was a case in CA -- this black African American surgeon named Dr. Angelo E. Gousse suffered permanent wrist damage from cuffs after mistakenly being arrested for a rental car/license plate mix up. He was released, sued and won 33 million dollars. The story is on the following page, scroll down ....http://edwardlawson.com/Gousse-LAPD.html

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at some airport a while back for being combative on a flight she died in custody.

Your chances of getting hurt or killed are dramatically increased once in custody, I think.
Also, when those cuffs go on, your blood pressure goes up, not a good thing for a middle aged black male.

But that was not the case.

entails. Many surgeons are subject to tunnel carpal because of the wear and tear of their job to begin with. For the police to add this assault to these wrists causing permanent damage will be a loss in the years ahead. This unfortunately is the real loss.

is the attempt to humiliate and embarrass --

(I'll see if I can find it again - I dropped the link)

and I hope he sues their badges off.

Unfortunately, the original/actual police report by Crowley has been taken

off the internet by Boston Globe. But, hopefully we'll get it back.

Ron Reagan was reading it tonight on Air America Radio --

It should be read by everyone who is going to voice an opinion on this case and

I hope we get it back on the internet soon.

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obama correctly apologized. gates is getting less and less sympathy. my favorite gates comment towards the officer "i'll see your mama on the porch". lol. seriously. i think gates should do what obama recommends, and join obama and crowley for a beer at the white house. i am very proud of obama for doing the right thing, and speaking positively of crowley. there is no evidence whatsoever crowley si in any way, shape or form, a racist. also, one doesn't need to go to the frigging boston globe (iow mainstream media) to read the police report. any # of legal blogs, that actually have USEFUL analysis, still have it up. this incident has such massive exposure now that gates would look like much more of a horse's ass than he already looks, if he tries to sue crowley. it's clearly a loser case. furthermore, the officer would almost certainly (i'd bet a weeks pay on it) have qualified immunity, so gates would just be taking money from the city of cambridge's already stretched budget. that would make him VERY popular in cambridge lol. these guys should sit down with obama and have a beer.

and that we continue to have widespread racism in police enforcement --

Oh, it's gum on shoe again!!! hmmm...

Are you frightened of what the original report says about Crowley?

Yeah -- why deal with anything actual when you can just go off half-cocked?

Again -- the officer knew that Gates was the resident of the home --

and still persisted in arresting him.

Not only that, he called the Harvard police!

STOPS, arbitrariness of "disorderly conduct" -- and "your papers and photograph, please"

are concepts intended to harass and handicap minorities.

Bye --

thats simply crap. sorry, no evidence supports it. every day in cambridge and elsewhere cops respond to suspected burglaries etc. like in this case where a CITIZEN WITNESS called it in (iow the cop didn't decide to go to gates house cause an evil black man lived there), and the situation is calmly and quickly resolved. i've gone to dozens of calls like this. some turn out to be bona fide burglaries, others turn out to be similar to the instant case. regardless, 99.9% of the time, you don't have a classist and racist like gates who screams at the cop to see his "mama' on the porch, who instantly accuses the police of racism for DARING to ask a guy for his id, etc. the only thing this case evidences is that gates was being a horse's ass. whether or not his behavior rose to the level of disorderly conduct is of course somehwat subjective. based on the fact that the citizen witnesses in the neighborhood have corroborated crowley et al's account of the matter, the arrest appears at least facially valid. that doesn;t mean it necessarily showed good judgment, otoh. a lawsuit would be a loser. gates would look like a whiner. fwiw, crowley is also considering a lawsuit for defamation, etc in regards to being publically accused of being a racist, etc. by gates in interviews, etc. i think that's also a tough row to hoe, since cops, as public figures have a difficult evidentiary burden in such cases. not impossible, but difficult. the best thing gates could do is sit down with obama and crowley and have a beer. that would be the adult thing to do . i have , i must say again, great respect for obama, for his apology for his uninformed initial comments (he admitted they were uninformed) and obama , who has personally spoken to crowley (and you know damn well, his staff did a little background research on crowley) thinks he is not a racist, and not stupid. the guy has an excellent record, and the more this case spins along, the more gates looks like the one who was being a putz

The cop was wrong. He didn't apologize, thank the professor, and leave his home once learning that it was the professor, and not the cop, who had a right to be inside the home. But that wasn't good enough for Deputy Dog. He was mad cuz he can't stand being talked to like that! So, he fabricated a charge that has already been dismissed.

DISMISSED! The charge and your weak defense of the racist cop.

He was investigating a possible break in.
What exactly was he wrong about? If a possible break in is reported, should cops be able to investigate it or not?

Police apologists always ignore the rudeness and inappropriate conduct of the police.

Once the cop knew that Mr. Gates lived there, he should have apologized for the intrusion, and left.

But you have "some" reason to call Gates a racist. You didn't just imply he might be, you flatly stated it:

"regardless, 99.9% of the time, you don't have a classist and racist like gates who screams at the cop to see his "mama' on the porch, who instantly accuses the police of racism for DARING to ask a guy for his id, etc."

I am trying to figure out how you came to the conclusions that there's a 0% chance the cop is racist, and a 100% chance that Gates is racist. Did I miss the part where you explained how you know them both personally?

And those quotes are from the online police report which he seems to treat as the word of god.

Obama said in an interview with ABC television that he has "extraordinary respect" for the challenges and hardships that law enforcement officers face every day in their line of work. But at the same time he said he didn't think the arrest was necessary.

Obama said "cooler heads should have prevailed" in the incident. But he did not retract his initial statement that he thought police had "acted stupidly" and said such incidents "get elevated in ways that probably don't make much sense."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/07/23/2009-07-23_obama_doesnt_regret_acted_stupidly_remark_compliments_sgt_james_crowley.html

One of their very finest allowed a situation to spiral completely out of control. Supposedly officers, especially ones training other officer on racial conduct, should be able to control their emotions much better than he did..

A police officer saw him, stopped him -- racial profiling stops -- and questioned him

asking for identification. When he couldn't produce identification, he was arrested!

It's something for us all to think about re these STOPS -- and even "disorderly conduct"

behind which has hidden a great deal of police brutality and racism -- and now the very

real new threat of not having your "papers."

Also -- Prof. Gates was asked for PHOTOGRAPHIC identification -- imagine had he only

had his Harvard ID with him!

Keep in mind after that, the officer summoned the Harvard police.

Not so long ago we were rightly shunning the concept of the NAZI "Your papers, please."

This is all about control --

I'd also suggest that at the heart of this is the reality that African-Americans and

Hispanics are part of mainstream society --

and can no longer be labelled "suspicious" simply because of their color.

Sad to say, this will certainly aggravate not only outright racists -- but those with

a deep interest in keeping racism going -- and the exploitation of African-Americans/

Hispanics/minorities active.

This is yet another attempt to try to tell Americans that people of color are dangerous!

Problem solved.

"A Los Angeles County judge threw out a $33-million jury verdict against the Los Angeles Police Department and Budget Rent A Car on Friday, calling the monetary damage award "utterly shocking and wholly irrational.""



http://edwardlawson.com/Gousse-vs-CityofLosAngeles/Gousse-2-28-2004.html

It has been, and should always be, the prerogative of a jury to determine damages and rewards as remedy. Judges usurp that role in order to kiss up to right wing politicians and should all be impeached.

money from these assholes is the only way they will learn. I hope Mr. Gates sues the pants off the Cambridge fuckheads and that cop loses his job from budget cuts.