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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:25 AM
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bill maher's 'new rules' diatribe on healthcare this week is the speech i WANTED to hear from obama-
but the corporatist in him just couldn't wouldn't do it.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:29 AM
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1. Passionate diatribe is for the stump, until it's time to really shape it later. He needed to talk
about the cost of doing nothing to poorly informed public and media, which never bothers with facts, and straight talk about what he was left and improvements made.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:30 AM
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2. fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck. I accidently recommend this.
Thus undoing the one unrec it had when I read it.

:thumbsdown:

Help me out DU.

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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:32 AM
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3. unrecommended
Edited on Sat Jul-25-09 12:33 AM by quinnox
Obama is doing the best he can considering how much opposition he is running into from status quo lovers
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:40 AM
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6. His refusal to even discuss single payer would indicate
he wasn't any more interested in changing the status quo than most of Congress. He's suppose to be the leader, he should be the one out front on this issue.


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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:45 AM
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7. He is out in front
He has been talking about healthcare front and center now for days if not weeks. He can't get something like single payer because it isn't a realistic possiblity sadly, so he is trying to get the best healthcare package he can.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:55 AM
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8. part of the reason that single payer isn't a 'realistic possibility'...
is because there's nobody around with a bully pulpit who could explain it clearly and intelligently to the american people.

maybe, someday...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:28 AM
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16. +1
It may well be that things have to get MUCH worse before there'll be any meaningful progress.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:56 AM
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17. i've always assumed that there will have to be a MASSIVE march on washinton dc...
(or several) in order to get meaningful healthcare reform. vietnam-era marches.

maybe that's part of the reason they want to keep it pushed back until fall- when the weather gets colder, and the kids have to go back to school.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:56 AM
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9. He is out front protecting the profits of the insurance companies
and propping up a failed system. He used to oppose mandates - now he thinks Romeny Care is the answer and we should all be forced to contribute to the for profits.

There was no reason not to allow single payer to be discussed even if it was only done to start educating people about it and what the advantages to all of us as well as the economy that kind of system would be.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:01 AM
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10. in his 8-minute address- he never even discussed a public option...
and didn't include it as one of his 'requirements' for a bill to sign.

it was only brought up later by the guy from cleveland(at the press conference).
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:07 AM
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12. Democratic Party Supporters should be asking
why isn't it a possibility with 60 votes in the Senate and a huge House majority?

It wasn't necessarily more Democrats needed in the Senate - just better ones.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:10 AM
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13. Democratic Party Politicians should be worried about midterms
This will bite them on the ass.

Which is probably why Harry Reid is already grousing about it.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:22 AM
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15. The trouble is
Republican voting Democrats in the Senate will then blame the President for any loss of seats - ignoring the fact that too many have already blocked, curtailed and undermined his agenda (in fact many have done more to undermine this President than they did the last).

If the Democratic Party does not deliver on its agenda, why should people loyally come out to vote for them? This is what annoys me about far too many Senate members in particular. The Democratic Party has (in effect) 60 seats - so it needs to deliver.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:58 AM
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18. the democrats may have 60 seats in the senate...
but the corporacrats control even more.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:34 AM
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4. You should have voted for Bill Maher.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:04 AM
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11. in our system, he would have been out of rhe primaries by the time it got us.
the corporate & moneyed-up players are the ones that stick around.
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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:37 AM
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5. k&r nt.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:17 AM
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14. Maher was great tonight
suggesting that not every activity in this country has to generate a profit. I loved his remarks about how the words "war profiteer" used to be a great insult. And his comments on how the quality of TV news has been eroded because newsrooms have had to become profitable were very true. We're fortunate that these opinions have a home at HBO because you don't hear them anywhere else on television. I think that if Obama had said these things, most of the media would have declared war on him. Speaking out against profits and capitalism in America is probably considered worse than doing almost anything else. Murderers have a higher standing in this country than commies.
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