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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:52 AM
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Putting Posse Comitatus Aside, Too
The more I hear about Cheney, the more evil he sounds. :scared:


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019223.php

PUTTING POSSE COMITATUS ASIDE, TOO.... It's hardly a new revelation that Bush administration officials believed they could ignore practically any law while pursuing national security interests, but even now, the list of laws they felt comfortable ignoring keeps getting longer.

Top Bush administration officials in 2002 debated testing the Constitution by sending American troops into the suburbs of Buffalo to arrest a group of men suspected of plotting with Al Qaeda, according to former administration officials.

Some of the advisers to President George W. Bush, including Vice President Dick Cheney, argued that a president had the power to use the military on domestic soil to sweep up the terrorism suspects, who came to be known as the Lackawanna Six, and declare them enemy combatants. <...>

A decision to dispatch troops into the streets to make arrests has few precedents in American history, as both the Constitution and subsequent laws restrict the military from being used to conduct domestic raids and seize property.

The Fourth Amendment bans "unreasonable" searches and seizures without probable cause. And the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 generally prohibits the military from acting in a law enforcement capacity.


During at least one high-level meeting, Cheney, David Addington, and their allies cited a memo from John Yoo, which suggested pursuit of national security goals overrode practically everything, including the Fourth Amendment and Posse Comitatus

Sticking up for the basics of the rule of law and American civics were Condoleezza Rice, Michael Chertoff, and FBI Director Robert Mueller, and thankfully, then-President Bush sided with them instead of Cheney. The NYT noted that the president "bristled at the prospect of troops descending on an American suburb to arrest terrorism suspects."

Bush ordered the FBI to make the arrests in September 2002, and the Lackawanna Six later pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges.

Why would Cheney oppose sending the FBI to go get the suspected bad guys? Because he feared the evidence may not be compelling enough to justify an arrest and conviction. It was better, he said, to have the military take the Lackawanna Six into custody, declare them enemy combatants, and not worry about due process or meeting legal standards.

—Steve Benen
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:06 AM
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1. This story ought to get more attention. The filthy ring of outlaw behavior
that the Bush Administration left around the tub will not come out by itself...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:08 AM
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2. the more i hear about cheney the more i'm pissed he won't be tried and convicted
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:25 AM
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3. Posse isn't laid in stone.
I would expect to see this law changed, ignored, or deemed inapplicable due to changes.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:44 AM
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4. "He who does not punish evil commands it to be done"
Leo DaVinci said it. I agree. But hey, let's all turn that page, look forward, not back, and refuse to seek revenge!
"He who does not punish evil commands it to be done."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:45 AM
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5. I'm not willing to put evil aside or turn the page. I still hope
someone in this admin figures it out.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 11:14 AM
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7. I know that you are not
And I also hope that they are not, right along with you. Peace.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:19 AM
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6. the Bush Admin tried to get rid of POSSE COMITATUS in New Orleans after Katrina as well.
they put the Governor of Louisiana in a horrible position after Katrina as well by holding back aid to her state..she got advice from Clinton's FEMA head James Lee Witt in order to not give up the rights of her state during the catastrophe to hold the Bush Administration off from their attempted power grab..

( ps.. i respect Mr Witt enormously as i lost a home in the Northridge Earthquake in 1994 and Mr Witt and Clinton were incredible through that natural disaster!)
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 11:19 AM
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8. This demonstrates the true driving factor behind Cheney's madness, COWARDICE
This fucker was so terrified that he was willing to set aside everything that makes this nation great in order to take out people he was scared of.
lain and simple, this reveals Cheney for a coward.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:08 PM
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9. K&R
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:14 PM
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10. Hey Cheney! The Constitution = "national security goals" you fucking dipshit!
Cheney, David Addington, and their allies cited a memo from John Yoo, which suggested pursuit of national security goals overrode practically everything, including the Fourth Amendment and Posse Comitatus


This statement is yet more proof that Cheney is a traitor.
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