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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:07 PM Original message |
Viewpoint: The Stupidity of the Gates Arrest |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. Crowley is not fit to be a police officer |
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USA_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. entered illegally without a warrant |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. No warrant necessary in this case. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. If Jim Crow had enough to arrest Gates on suspicion, he would have. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. The other poster claimed was that he entered Gates house illegally for lack of a warrant. He did not |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Wrong. The fact is, when he got there, there was no sign of forced entry. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No, he tried to lure Gates outside because at the time he was the only cop on the scene. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. LOL. Facts are tiresome, aren't they? Edit |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
63. I'll bet you wish you could arrest her, eh? |
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keep_it_real (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
75. Where did you read the police report? Post it in the forum. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. hyg |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Gates attorney said different in his statement. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You mean this statement? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Looks the same, thanks for posting it. I was trying to track it down. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. One could dispute that a damaged door (from swelling due to rain/heat?) is not a sign of B&E |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Or maybe the driver damaged it when he forced it open? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Well, yeah! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. What force did he use? Gates was reportedly compliant when arrested. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Physical restraint in the form of handcuffs and he removed his freedom |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Okay. I thought you were referring to something specific that I wasn't aware of. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
93. Using force and misusing his power as a law enforcement officer. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. If there were signs of forced entry, I'd expect Crowley to note it in his report. n/t |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Obama says he's an outstanding officer. I would expect an outstanding officer to have noted it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. And he noted no such thing. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Maybe he isn't as outstanding as Obama thinks. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Obama is a polite man. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Obama is also an honest man. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Yes, he seems to be. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
94. Obama is a skilled politician., one who knows the usefulness of |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Are you calling the President a liar? |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Nope, there's a difference between being "a liar" and using good |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. So that would be a yes. Got it. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. You're just playing today, Fire_Medic_Dave. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I think Crowley has a huge ego, I think Gates has a huge ego. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Right--I agree with you on all points. nt |
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USA_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Absolutely |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. no he didn't |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Right. And in his investigation, he finds luggage on the porch |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. probable cause is the 911 call |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. When the PD get to the prem and there is no sign of forced entry |
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USA_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
101. Exactly - a 911 call does not automatically create ''probable cause'' |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
84. No, the 911 call is not probable cause for entering someone's home |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. The driver had moved the luggage inside, according to Gates attorney. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. I have to wonder why it's Gate's lawyer supplying these details |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. The officer probably wasn't aware of what took place before he arrived. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. But as the responding officer, it's his job to assess the prem. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. How would that have informed him of who moved the luggage inside? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Not whom. He would have seen luggage in the foyer or on the landing. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Why would he have noted that in his report? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Because most people don't have luggage sitting around in their foyer |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I don't know how much luggage he had or how big his foyer is. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. Wow that's ignorant. Have you read even one version of what happened. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Obama called him an outstanding officer and invited him to the WH for a beer. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. that doesn't change what i said |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. No you are entitled to your opinion just like the President. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. i understand that the President is a politician and knows the whorishness of the media |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I personally don't like to call President Obama a liar. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. i understand race politics as does Obama , just look at how Sotomayor had to continually |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Do you think Obama and Sotomayor are liars? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. i think Obama is lying when he says he is opposed to gay marriage |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. The president didn't change his opinion. He just made sure |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. So he always thought Crowley was an outstanding officer? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. As I said before, Obama is a polite man. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Don't forget honest. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. He is honest. He said the police behaved stupidly and he didn't take it back. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. He also said Officer Crowley is an outstanding officer. I never said he took back anything. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. We agree on those two points. n/t |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. We agree on much more than that. I always enjoy our discussions. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. Heh. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. Don't knock it. When's the last time you were invited to the White House for brewskis? |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Great article |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I must also give kudos to you |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. I try my best |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. Lawrence! |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think we should all test this. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Or you could invite an asshole cop into your home and see how long it takes |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. by all means, you first |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. Perfect summary of why this was "stupid behavior" and why Obama and Gates are right |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
13. Recommend |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
18. Junior High School behavior at work. That's all. nt |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
20. RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH! |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
23. Recommended. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
26. Thank you, Lawrence O' Donnell Jr! |
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godai (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
29. I thought this was all over with. Not yet, it seems n/t |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. HAHAHAHAHA |
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godai (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Didn't beer at the WH solve everything?? n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Playing psychic tonight I see |
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godai (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
72. Ohh...So after the WH Beerfest, everything will be fine? n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. lol - I don't know |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
30. Cops are supposed to be able to assess situations |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
54. I would have arrested you.... |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #54 |
91. It *was* groovy -- you'd have to have been there at the time |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Yeah, I get it. We did something similar one year. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
44. We seem to have lots of folks working hard to explain why "that wouldn't happen to me." |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. . |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
76. LOL |
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scarface2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
85. crowley is a criminal, needs to handcuffed, |
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keep_it_real (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Are you being inflamatory? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. But instead he gets to have a beer with Obama at the White House. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. That's what one does in a civil society..... |
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USA_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #85 |
102. Ruby Ridge, Davidians, Gordon Kahl, Eric Rudolph .... |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
89. Ha ha. People do love to jump in with the mob. Oh the outrage! nt |
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