Fire Imus? Here are some OTHER people who should get the same treatment.

If you want to have Don Imus fired, than I have to say that you should also be fighting to:

1. Immediately FIRE Isaiah Washington from "Grays Anatomy". He called T.R. Knight a fagot. He did it in anger, not in jest. He then lied about it and has never REALLY taken responsibility for his ugliness.

2. Immediately FIRE Donald Trump from "The Apprentice". He has called Rosie O'Donnell a fat lesbian pig numerous times and has not apologized for it & in fact continues to do it.

3. Immediately BREAK DOWN Mel Gibson's production company. No more movies for this anti semite.


4. Immediately REMOVE Seinfeld from syndication. Michael Richards used the N word multiple times in a very vile and hurtful way.

5. BURN all Eminem, NWA, Public Enemy, Ice-T, Jay Z, Ice Cube, Eazy E, Nas and D-12 CD's RIGHT NOW. These rappers take one swipe after another at women. They are called Bitches, Hos, Whores, C*nts, Niggas, Crackers, Pussies... you name it.


You want to 86 Don Imus for saying one dumb thing? Let's go after EVERYONE. RIGHT NOW. I'll be waiting for the "Reverends" Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to step up to the plate.

Edited to Add:
You should also be trying to remove Jesse Jackson from the Rainbow Push Coalition. He cheated on his wife, got his mistress pregnant, had a daughter, and then hid said mistress and daughter until he got CAUGHT. Had he not gotten caught he would STILL be hiding it. He chose to treat a black woman like a HO by making her his mistress and then treated his daughter like an EMBARRASSMENT by not acknowledging her. BOO HOO- when he got caught he cried and apologized and said he was A GOOD MAN. And everyone forgave him because his past works outweighed his ridiculously bad judgment that DIRECTLY IMPACTED the lives of two people.

You want to talk Imus? Let's talk about hypocrisy.

No specific examples needed. Just tune in any night to see what I mean (if you can stand it).


K&R

You can't argue with that....

from appearing - she can write all she wants (First Amendment and all that) but keep her off the air!

No. Just someone who thinks that there are alot of hypocrites in America right now.

totally misrepresenting the Tawana Brawley debacle. Thank gosh there are no hypocrites involved.
They got their forgiveness, but aren't so willing to dish it up to anyone else.

Then I'll expect an apology from all parties that hyped the Charles Stuart and Susan Smith cases.

:sarcasm:

Please do better than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton

Tawana Brawley Controversy

See also: Tawana Brawley Case

In the Tawana Brawley case, a 15-year-old black girl was found smeared with feces, lying in a garbage bag, her clothing torn and burned and with various slurs and epithets written on her body in charcoal. Brawley claimed that she had been assaulted and raped by six white men, some of them police officers, in the town of Wappingers Falls, New York.

Alton H. Maddox, C. Vernon Mason joined Sharpton in support of Brawley. A grand jury was convened; after seven months of examining police and medical records, the jury determined that Brawley lied about being assaulted by the police. Sharpton, Maddox and Mason were later successfully sued for statements made in connection with the case, and ordered to pay $345,000 in damages. All three falsely accused the case prosecutor, Steven Pagones, as being among those who abducted and raped Brawley.<6>The jury found Sharpton liable for making seven defamatory statements about Pagones, Maddox for two and Mason for one.

and nobody was repaid any damages in a lawsuit. And the only people who apologized were the family of Stuart's wife.

girl. Then the truth comes out and I was very angry over being used and manipulated. I have always thought a lot less of Sharpton because of this episode.

He and the other charlatans to leveled false accusations in that case shouldn't be granted legitimacy by any critical thinker.

than the fact that real injustices exist in which we need the likes of Al Sharpton. Despite the fact that the city pretty much declared war on blacks after that Central Park jogging case, he stayed with the accused until it was found out that they didn't actually attack that woman. I'll be expecting an apology from all the relevant parties sometime soon :sarcasm:

despite any real lack of evidence and who also has yet to regret his statements even after it became more than obvious that Brawley was lying.

If a white man tried to destroy a black person in the same fashion people would have been screaming bloody murder.

That people continue to give Sharpton any credibility given his involement with the Brawley case and his calculated decision to inflame vs. heal matters in Crown Heights is beyond reason.

I paid attention to both stories when they took place and I knew Sharpton was a charlatan then and he's given me no reason to change my opinion now.

There are more than enough voices in the civil rights movement that could carry the torch instead of Sharpton and who have a lot more credibility.

People have been trashing Al Sharpton's reputation all the time, even well before the Tawana Brawley incident or Crown Heights. Sure, Al Sharpton did not act responsibly during those two times, but his credibility among his constituency (black New Yorkers) will remain strong because he is always there to support their causes when no one else will. Remember the Central Park jogging incident and how everyone was ready to put the needle into the boys they've arrested. Well, Sharpton stayed with it and now they've been exonerated as they should be. I'm sure they will receive their apologies sometime soon.

BTW, what does all this have to do with Imus comparing the two teams with "jigaboos and wannabes"?

They should also resign from their speaking engagements as they have also made statements that are bigoted.

point in other threads, but you made much more sense :hi:

Why isn't the media going after the RW people like Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity?

Maybe this is another diversion to keep people from hearing about the DOJ scandals, the Walter Reed scandals, the pet food scandals.

the hypocrisy is unbelievable.

rev. al and jesse have some major baggage themselves.

After all, he said one "dumb" thing that got him fired.

:sarcasm:

I didn't think Imus should be fired...You're post just confirms what I felt.

Thank You

everyone who ever talks hate, then how can we be offended by one??

And what the fuck!!- we can't impeach every corrupt government offical, so shut up about * and his mis-administration.!
If you are going to go after him, you have to get everyone else too- otherwise shut your pie-hole and get a life."!!

?????????????????:sarcasm: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is really sad that people can't see beyond their own pet 'causes'.

I HATE bigotry, prejudce and oppression where ever it exists.
It is never "ok".

:nuke:

we really need to examine our consience and values.
ALL of us.

blu

I'm also saying he really, really apologized. As opposed to some of the others I mentioned.
I've examined my conscience AND my values & I am good with both.
I think that the other things I listed were in many ways worse than what Imus said and thus, I want action taken against those individuals as well.
By firing Imus we would be assured that the Imus Ranch for Kids With Cancer (Many of whom are African American) would no longer function.
I'm not an Imus fan, but I AM a realist. What he said in no way rises to the level of what is happening here.

Your leading with anger. Let's burn Don Imus at the stake! Where was this righteous indignation when Michael Richards was calling a guy a N*gger over and over and over again in a comedy club? Are you doing anything about Isaiah Washington being a bigot? What is your stance on those issues? Are you signing petitions? Picketing? Working to get these men destroyed? Mel Gibson hates Jews. What are you doing about that?

kindled by people who I regard as my "friends" - people who share many of the same perspectives that I do on important issues- DOWNplaying a very destructive attitude and mind-set.

You accept his apology- it's enough for YOU. You were clearly not impacted by his words.

If Imus only gives to his "ranch" so that he can then use the airwaves to advance a bigoted, stereotyped, HATRED- are you willing to be prostituted like that?

Step outside the situation if you can.

Lets say-

You have a babysitter that slaps kids around 'sometimes'. They show up for work on time, they don't leave your kids alone, and serve 'nice dinners'- but they occasionally abuse your children.

Would you accept the notion that "every babysitter messes up in some vital way" as a rational excuse for not ending their employment? Would you listen to others who say, "yeah, it's not great that they smacked your kid in the face, but you know, YOU've smacked your kid on occasion too- and you know about Anna's sitter- she lets the kids run wild and sits on the computer most of the day".

If Imus not being on the air would be like 'burning him at the stake' should a person who loses their job simply kill them self?- The man isn't a GOD- he shouldn't be treated any different than you or I.


Please think about this-

peace,
blu

crabwalking we're seeing all over DU. Imus gives money to charity - he can say whatever he wants. And don't you dare criticize him! If you do, you hate kids with cancer. You hate vets.
No. We hate people who call young, accomplished women ugly names. We hate racists. Oh, I know, he's NOT racist. He just makes racist remarks. A lot. Kind of like Strom Thurmond. Or George Wallace.
You know what? He SHOULD give money to charity. It's the right thing to do. And his giving money to charity doesn't make him exempt. It's just not that easy.
Rich people don't get to buy their way into heaven. Or our hearts.
And your ridiculous "all the other kids are doing it!" excuse is just more rhetoric to let Imus get away with some very ugly, damaging behavior.
You should have some respect for these young women. You should fight for them. Not Imus. These off-hand remarks are pure poison. Have some consideration for the young girls out there who are just now perfecting their jump shot, hoping to maybe play college basketball. And some asshole on the radio denigrates their heroes -- their gender, their race, their accomplishments -- because he wants to be "funny".
And you're jumping to his defense by pointing fingers at other people.
Disgraceful.

and he did call for a series of meetings asking film, TV, and music companies to stop all negative racial references.

http://www.hollywood.com/news/Jesse_Jackson_Calls_for_TV_Ban_on_Racial_Slurs/3590320

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=a0d80f54-2bde-4927-80a7-717b41f6d02f

Which is R I D I C U L O U S

The tricky part is when they say "Yes, I forgive him, but fire him anyway."

... selective outrage runs rampant among the African American community, they need to take a look at the big elephants in their own living room before getting their panties all tied up about a non-issue.

There are many different opinions among black people. We don't think alike.

There are many, including myself, who don't give a damn about Sharpton and Jackson. No one took a vote and made them the official spokesmen for black people.

I'm sick and tired of people generalizing black people as if we ALL support gangsta rap and rap that demeans women.

And where the hell is this black community you speak of? We all live in the same place?

Just a guess.

But nice try...

So, it's okay to generalize the rest of us because you married someone black?

He can say any racist shit he wants, so long
as he can point to a SINGLE African-American
person who doesn't stridently object. Because
all African-Americans share the same beliefs
and opinions on every subject, always.

Do I actually need the "sarcasm" smiley for this? I can
never tell. Better safe than sorry, I suppose: :sarcasm:

... besides name calling dressed as pseudo intellectual babbling, do you have anything of substance to say or are you going to keep insulting my family and me?

Sorry, but after looking at this from every possible angle,
I gotta stick with my first impression:
I don't believe that you are posting here from a position
of truth or honesty; I doubt that you have any wife at all,
let alone the one you claim to have.

Let's cut to the chase: Please explain why you established
your particular DU UserAccount 3 years ago, but let it gather dust
until you suddenly started posting 10 times a day 3 weeks ago.

I'm on a roll lately; I'm 4 for 4 right now, so I gotta stick with a winning approach:
I'll take "DU Troll Dead Giveaways" for a thousand, Alex.

Please consider your very Republican-phrased "concerns" to be duly noted.

Runs rampant is not the same as "everyone," runs rampant to me means that there are plenty of equally or more bigoted speech examples on a single day by African Americans (or any community for that matter) than the ones made by a single cowboy with mad cow disease.

This is the same reason why I don't care for example when a conservative group expresses moral outrage about anything: clean up your act first before taking other people to task. Other ways it is yet another case of "do as I say, not as I do."

I can understand people pointing criticism or disagreement when someone makes an statement in public, that person can then either correct his/her ways, retract his opinion, or heck make a case for why he/she made that statement. However, the whole production of "oh, my god he said "nappy"" the sky is falling is simply ridiculous. I don't think anyone has the right to make everyone else walk on eggshells while they get to be the ones making scrambled eggs.

Yes, what he said was stupid and ignorant. However the whole hoopla around it carried by oportunistic "outragers," in my opinion, is almost as bad.

i dont even think he should have been put on leave...there were better ways for him to repent for a stupid joke.


on edit...

wheres the outrage when mtv runs gangsta rap videos that uses the n-word and calls women "hos" ??

but no, lets rub imus's face into it.

Yay!

That will solve racism!

Just like making ludicrous comparison about people making comments outside of their job to a person that uses the public airwaves to transmit racism makes racist comments okay!

:sarcasm:

Even Imus sees that he's wrong. Why the apologia? I don't think Imus is necessarily a bad person (though he is a racist), but I think suspension is appropriate. He was racist on the job. Why shouldn't his bosses care?

And if you can't see the difference between that and all of the examples you cited, then I feel sorry for you.

This thing with Imus is not as interesting as all of the racists that come out to support him, when even he has admitted that he was wrong.

1. I agree with the suspension

2. I think what he said was wrong

3. I do not think he should be fired

4. None of my comparisons were ludicrous. What's ludicrous is that no one seems to see the parallel and their part in it.
For reference:

a) Michael Richards WAS working when he attacked that man and called him a N*gger multiple times in front of hundreds of people.

b) Isaiah Washington WAS working when he verbally mauled T.R. Knight. He was also at the awards show in a working capacity when he grabbed a microphone, repeated the slur & then lied about it.

c) Donald Trump is attacking Rosie O'Donnell on tv and in print while he WORKS promoting "The Apprentice".

d) The rappers who disrespect women of all races and weights ARE working when they record that and put it out for the public.

e) Mel Gibsons "The Passion of the Christ" was something he WORKED on that hurt many Jewish people. He may not have been working when he made the "Jews are responsible for all the wars" comment, but, it just went to prove that what had previously been said and suspected about him was true.


So none of the things I referenced happened outside of the job. It all happened on the job so there is NO difference... with the exception that Imus apologized right away & he is taking a beating that none of the others have had to endure. I guess he can't be forgiven until he goes to rehab.

“Tell Yao Ming, ‘ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-soh.’”

But, hey. It was a joke, right?

In this case, O'Neil wasn't thinking.

What's the difference between making fun of how chinese people talk and what Imus said?

Shaq never really apologized for the comment, because he always defended it as just him being funny (And Yao was courteous enough to brush it off). The press just gave Shaq a free pass.

If Rush had said the same thing, this place would be in a tizzy.

I didn't get into it since I didn't know all the details. Apparently the public didn't get as outraged about that. Rosie O'Donnell did the same thing recently didn't she? And I believe she has apologized for that too.

Some white guy gets in trouble for being a racist, white people go after rappers.

Funny shit.

Rappers are innocent.

I admit, I am a rap fan. Just because I like it doesn't mean that it isn't degrading to women.

I think it is diversionary and not sticking to the issue of what Imus has said time and time again on the air.
When a trash-talking rapper is offered a two hour daily time slot on msnbc, i think it would be very appropriate to compare the two.

Unfortunately, no African American has been offered a program comparable to Imus's on MSNBC.

So clearly by your logic, it is OK for rappers to pen derogatory lyrics and put them on Cd's.. sell and promote to Cd's to the masses (and alot of children) and then take it on tour because they aren't on MSNBC.

That is the craziest most backwards ass argument I've heard yet. I'd be willing to bet that Eminem & D-12's lyrics have been heard by alot more people than Imus' radio show has.


That doesn't make it better - it just means that the two ARE comparable.

When Snoop Dogg has John McCain and Tim Russert doing "skits" on his CDs and chilling in
his music videos then they will be comparable. The degradation of women is a
huge problem in the hip hop world today (as well as violence, lust for money,
etc etc). However it is nothing but a red herring in the current Imus discussion.
Maybe its the cowboy hat but I don't think Imus picked up the phrase "hos" from freakin Ludacris.

:rofl:

DON IMUS: They're (the Palestinians) eating dirt and that fat pig wife of
his is living in Paris.

COLLEAGUE: They’re all brainwashed, though. That’s what it is. And they're
stupid, to begin with, but they’re brainwashed now. Stinking animals. They
ought to drop the bomb right there, kill ‘em all right now…

IMUS: Well, the problem is we have (reporter) Andrea (Mitchell) there; we
don't want anything to happen to her.

COLLEAGUE: Oh, she's got to get out. Andrea, get out and then drop the bomb
and kill everybody…

COLLEAGUE: Look at this. Animals. Animals!

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1331&theType=NR

Liz, i hope you don't want this kind of filth to continue on TV.

You better get on Howard Stern too. Because he went on the airwaves for MONTHS and said we should turn Pakistan into a parking lot.
He said over and over and over again that we should drop the bomb.


(Yes, I am a Howard fan)

Howard Stern is not on msnbc.

to talk down to and be rude to other posters with your holier than thou opinions.
I get from your post that my POV is abhorrent to you.
I need to go cry now.
If you don't apologize for your ridiculous rudeness and mocking of my liking of Howard Stern, can I expect you to be fired?

The world has gone insane.

Thanks for an injection of common sense. I entirely agree.

25 times more recs than this.

Freedom of speech... just watch what you say

You must have been reading something else and inadvertantly suggested i or someone else said you should shut up.

I only said most people here disagree with your point of view. by a wide margin.

When responding to my posts, please read them and respond to actual content.

I find it obnoxious, juvenile and laughable.


That's my response to your actual content.

to call for the punishment of others while down-playing the behavior of Mr. Imus.

Secondly, your rant about the Rev. Jackson pertains to private behavior, of which you have no idea how it was dealt with by the parties involved. Mr. Imus used the PUBLIC'S air-waves to speak his demeaning insults.

Thirdly, what are YOU doing about the offenses you mentioned?

Fourthly, there is enough on DU to prove this was not a one-off by Mr. Imus or his staff.

Everyone else is in the clear.
As soon as he is fired your life will have more meaning and the war will end.
It will clear all problems everywhere. YAY!!!!

.

As far as his radio show, he doesn't have to be fired since he apologized. He can continue his racist and sexist rants for his fans here to listen to every day. Keep on trucking!

in Imus being fired or forced to resign. This is how to fight bigotry the easy way.

by major media conglomerates. If you want to hold these companies accountable for the content of the people they produce then start at the top. They wouldn't be selling it if someone wasn't buying it. Imus included. If he didn't make MSNBC some serious money he would have been gone yesterday. They will probably see the financial wisdom of dumping him once the advertising boycotts start taking hold.

We need to step lightly on the first amendment folks. There is still the option of not listening to idiots. EVERYONE will at one point in their lives say something that offends someone else. Pressure on MSNBC is good, product boycotts are good. Imus has, in his defense, ALWAYS been this caustic and pretty much an equal opportunity insulter. That being said he will probably finally reap what he has sown and I personally feel he stepped over the line but Libraliz is right. We start a PC witch hunt and this society is going to tear itself apart even quicker. There are more pressing issues than weeding out the bigots in the media.

I agree....

that only apply when we say politically-correct,pleasant things?Sure,Imus was offensive.However,banning him will lead to banning more than you might think.Gangsta rap,hell-a lot of the sit-coms I see on MTV and HBO won't exist.These things have a way of taking a life of their own,especially with the morality police around today.

but I feel like people are letting all the wrong words have too much power. Who cares what one nappy headed, white, aging DJ has to say. Do we think that Don Imus is going to single handedly convince the world that all african american female sports enthusiasts are "nappy headed hos?" Are they? If not who gives a fuck. Write the letters, boycott the products, turn the fucker off but don't take away his right to be an idiot or someone might try to take away your right to speak against it. Shit people it's already been done. After 9/11 we were all made to feel like questioning our president was akin to calling a black person the N-word. I f i called someone a nigger to their face I'd expect them to either punch or shoot me or walk away and not give me the power i tried to take from them. With Don Imus you can either listen or turn him off or try to get other people to turn him off. Don't give him more power than he deserves.

Demanding Imus get shitcanned is our exercise of free speech. I don't want a low banning saying racist vile shit, I want Imus fired, I want his sponsors to go away.

and we can expand that list by hundreds if we had the time and the people calling for Imus's head know this.

and who invited Sharpton to become the spokesperson on this issue? The athletic director of Rutgers is on Mike and the Maddog right now and said Sharpton had no contact with the team and jumped into this on his own. That guy has more baggage then a fully loaded 747! The folks at Rutgers didn't invite Sharpton to speak for them. I listened to Rutgers press conference and they spoke just fine on their own behalf. Sharpton always jumps his big mouth into every issue. He has a radio show? Well he should be fired right away due to his past statements and actions....Tawana anybody?

without first talking to the people involved does say alot!

said horrible things about the 911 widows she shouldn't be able to make money anywhere. x(

a traitor for not supporting Chimpie's war be fired.

That would include Big Dick.

lets talk Imus. We've got him on the ropes, he's been a vile right wing shit for years, he pretends to be a serious political pundit, lets run him out of town. Stop agonizing over it. One of theirs is going down. This is a good thing.

They consider him one of ours because he has been rocking Bushies boat so hard.

Imus, Trump, Richards, and Gibson represent the majority racist society; their words have far more power than those of minorities, or protected classes, if you will. There's no hypocrisy in going balls to the wall against those in the dominant culture who offend protected classes.
Somewhat trickier is when one minority offends another. (Blacks insulting gays).
Maybe something like South Africa's truth and reconciliation process after apartheid could help in this society.

I didn't like at all what he said, but I don't think in the context the words were said demonstrates and confirms he is a raciest.

Either EVERY person who has made a damaging comment is fired
or no one is. It can't be political- it just needs to BE.

:eyes:

As far as I am aware, no one is asking for him to be fired because he said Dick Cheney would shoot all traitors.