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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:43 PM
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It doesn't matter where Barack Obama was born...
If his Mom was an American citizen, then Barack Obama is considered an American citizen. It doesn't matter if he was born in Timbuktu.

I thought we went through this same subject matter about 8 months ago?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:44 PM
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1. Birthers aren't going to let it go, no matter how many facts we throw
at them.

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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:47 PM
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2. Title 8 is actually more specific about that in regards to being considered
a "native born" American, and one must be native born to qualify for the presidency.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:48 PM
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3. Only the State of Panama counted...
:tinfoilhat:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:52 PM
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4. On the other hand, it matters not one whit who his parents were,
because he WAS born on American soil.

So, either way, he's a natural born citizen of the US.

Birthers are truly delusional.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:59 PM
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5. As far as I know, this is the definitive definition of Natural-Born Citizen
In 1788, Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."

Conceivably, Dunham's citizenship would have been conferred, as Obama Sr. was in fact a legal resident of the U.S. before Obama Jr. was born. Obama would have been a natural-born citizen even if he was born in Kenya. Unless, as some birfers claim, you have to be 19 years old to confer citizenship, then it's case closed even if he was born in Kenya (which he wasn't).

Can anyone explain the "19 year-old" claim has been made? Where did that come from?
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 12:29 AM
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6. In 1961 there was some rule about the American parent
Being at least 18 and residing in the US more than a certain number of years after they were an adult for their citizenship to be passed to their child if the child was born outside the US. All irrelevant, of course since Barack Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii, but of supreme importance to the birthers who believe he was born in Kenya since they interpret it to mean that his mother could not convey her American citizenship.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 12:41 AM
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7. Title 8, Section 1401 spells it out...but doesn't use the term "natural born:"
• a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
• a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
•a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
• a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
• a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
• a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
• a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
• honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
• employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
• a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 01:33 AM
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9. I didn't see anything about age 19 in all of that.
In fact it seems to say just the opposite in the part: a dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household ...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 01:28 AM
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8. MisLed into DeLusion...no other explanation.....Global Warming Deniars, same, cool aid consumed
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 01:29 AM by opihimoimoi
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 01:35 AM
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10. We need to see birth certificates for the Birthers

They are really from Mars.
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