Reid says it's 'premature' to say whether he backs public plan. Stabanow says 'it'll be difficult'

Death knells? And then we have the progressives in the House who won't vote without it.


http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/07/28/reid-says-its-premature-to-say-whether-he-backs-public-plan/

Reid says it's 'premature' to say whether he backs public plan
@ 3:46 pm by Michael O'Brien

As the battle rages over whether or not final healthcare reform legislation should include a public (or "government-run") option for consumers, the Senate's top Democrat said Tuesday it'd be "premature" to say whether or not he supports such a provision.

"It would be really premature for me to lay out for each of you what I think should be in this bill," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said in remarks following the weeky Democratic luncheon.

Reid declined to say whether he would be pushing for the public option during negotiations in the Senate, focusing instead on bringing a bill to the floor.

"What I think should be in the bill is something that I will vote according to my conscience when we get this on the floor," Reid explained. "But I have a responsibility to get a bill on the Senate floor that will get 60 votes, so we can proceed to it."

The Nevada Democrat hinted that he may have a preference, but played his cards close to his vest as to what that might be.

"That's my number one responsibility and there are times when I have to set aside my personal preferences for the good of the Senate and I think the country," he said.

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http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/07/28/stabenow-itll-be-difficult-to-pass-public-plan-out-of-finance/

Stabenow: It'll be 'difficult' to pass public plan out of Finance
@ 5:05 pm by Michael O'Brien

It will be "difficult" for the Senate Finance Committee to pass a bill including a public (or "government-run" option), one of its Democratic members conceded Tuesday.

Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), a backer of the public option, said her committee would likely have to evaluate different options than the public option.

"It's going to be difficult to get that option out of the Finance Committee," Stabenow said during an interview on CNN.

"So the negotiators are looking at something else that would achieve the same purpose," she added. "So that's really the bottom line."

The Michigan Democrat said she expected President Obama, who favors the public option, to understad the compromise as a former member of the Senate.

Stabenow said the Finance committee is "close" to a final deal, and signaled it may include healthcare cooperatives for consumers in lieu of a public option.

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politicians who do not represent the people.

Rockefeller. Only step one, while media and DU hyperventilate.

I say new leadership, new committee chairs, new committee members, and new offices for all these weak willed little egomaniacs. No wonder people have such a low regard for congress.

Prepare to take a beating come the next election cycle.

:grr:

while it talks about support or not support for public plan, and it talks about something that might be better or worse then public plan.

It does not say why some are against the public plan.

It does not address the question, why do some want a plan different then public plan. Why find something labeled or presumed equal to it when the public plan already has those things in it.

Why don't some people want a public plan?

Also, getting 60 votes is not the goal, getting a bill passed is not the goal. That is only a political goal in some peoples mind. Why not just list street names and cities in a long bill and say they are cute, then pass it, that would get 60 votes, then you could call it a health care reform and pass it.

It matters whats in the bill for the American people, and just passing something that does not have the needed reform is more then dumb, it is traitorous, because then the Democrats not only own not passing needed reform, they own passing wasted fake reform, a double whammy.

Sure some in congress want Democrats to lose seats in congress, so the excuse of gridlock can return. Then they can do nothing with an excuse. So don't just guess what they really think is important. Many do not want larger Democrat majorities, it reveals their agenda to destroy government by government enforcing nothing, overseeing nothing. Many want government gone so they can have a feudal system. And Gridlock is what helps them with that. But they don't understand that actual functioning government is the only release valve of the upset villagers, and if there is not good governance, then any feudal system will be in more trouble then they can imagine. What is good for the American people through government, is also good for corporate systems, which is why corporate systems must be restrained, because they destroy themselves if not restrained.



Here is another reason to support the public plan. National Security. If a situation occurred that required a great deal of medical care, or a situation occurred where money for medical coverage became very scarce.

Then having a nation wide system for health care in place would be able to step in and alleviate the crises. If it is just private, the system would contract to save what dollars were left. This would lead to a situation where many people were being refused basic health coverage, and in that situation how could society contain or manage the National Security crises with millions of people with torches attacking every sector.

(Edit: I should note some forces like that conflict, they say that they would then roll out foreign hired private troops and military and use guns to establish full security state. But they are crazies, although some are in think tanks. The inability for people to think within the perspective of average Americans, and US soldiers makes that concept ridiculous.)

1. No public option
2. No employer mandate.
3. Indivdual mandate, so you may have to pay $1,200/month for a plan.
4. If you don't carry coverage, you can be fined.
5. Phony curb on monthly premium.
6. "Cost controls" for Medicare (translation: Less care)

Shit, this is worse than the status quo.

or what.

He asks the lobbyist to leave the money on the nightstand.

I never knew ass-kissing was such a popular fetish. Huh.

:)

1. the sound made by a bell rung slowly, esp. for a death or a funeral.
2. a sound or sign announcing the death of a person or the end, extinction, failure, etc., of something: the knell of parting day.
3. any mournful sound.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knell

http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+knells

did not get any meaning, must have been because of plurality.

She ALWAYS paints her position with all manner of weasel words and quibbles.

the guy gets knocked around by Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, fer chrissakes. If Reid can't even stand up to a week-kneed supernerd like McConnell, the Senate majority leadership is hopeless.

The real issue is whether she, Schumer, Kerry, Rockefeller, and the other public option supporter (I forgot who it is), will work to get it in a final bill or if they will stay with the Finance Committee bill.

.... she didn't finish the thought. She didn't say < It's going to be difficult to get that option out of the Finance Committee because so many of the members are ON THE TAKE."

When are these elected weinies going to take a stand and embarrass dirtbags like Baucus?

discontinued, right freakin' now!

It's very easy to say crap like he did when you're sitting in the drawing room of a mansion. Bet it wouldn't be that easy if he were out here among we of the great unwashed masses.

:grr:

She fails on this one and I won't vote for her...period. I am still irate over her vote on the bankruptcy bill.