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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 04:59 PM
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Wacked out fundie site of the day: Visionary Daughters
http://visionarydaughters.com

This site is run by two young women, who believe that instead of silliness like college and a career, unmarried young women should stay home and help their fathers. And by "help their fathers" they mean young women should give themselves totally over to their father's vision, and forego having any wishes or dreams of their own. When young women are married (to a young man chosen by their father), they must replace their father's vision with their husband's. A woman should be under male headship and protection at all times, and a woman should submit herself to the rule of her head.

A few excerpts from their site:

Q: Isn’t it a good thing that feminism is becoming more conservative?

A: We actually see this new “conservative” face of feminism as a very dangerous development. We cannot redeem a movement that was conceived in rebellion against God and His design. Feminism certainly comes in several different flavors, but at its core, its message is this: Women have the right to decide for themselves what is right and wrong for them. Since the Garden of Eden, feministic women have valiantly fought for the right to get their own way, and each woman’s only standard is What She Wants –- what is “right in own eyes” (Judges 21:25). This is why the feminist movement is so splintered, schizophrenic and inconsistent, even on the candidacy of Sarah Palin. This is also why “Christian” feminism is an oxymoron.

When feminism becomes more “conservative,” it becomes more insidious. Modern feminism at its roots is socialist and anti-family, and that can’t be changed by painting conservative values on top. We believe “conservative” feminism will seduce and destroy more women (and their families) than radical feminism. What we’re seeing is not feminism becoming more conservative — it’s conservatism becoming more feminist.

We should be warning girls away from feminism before it devastates their lives, rather than “baptizing” it to make it look family-friendly and righteous.


Pete would set the vision; he would follow the calling God had for him and seek to be fruitful in the areas God wanted him to take dominion. And I would help him to be successful in being fruitful. I would help him to see his vision to completion.

Being a wife in my husband’s home and helping him involves a lot of manual work and is a very active lifestyle. I’ve had a lot to learn. And on top of this, have gone through a very interesting process: the process of leaving behind my father’s vision and taking onboard my husband’s vision.

Before I was married, much of who I was, what I believed and understood was wrapped up in my father’s vision. Since marrying I’ve undergone a surgery of sorts to replace Dad’s vision with Pete’s.

My loyalties had to undergo a change. I was used to thinking that Dad knew best. Now I needed to learn to think that Pete knows best. I used to do things and invest my time in projects according to what I knew Dad would want me to do. Now I needed to be guided by what Pete wanted me to do. When faced with a problem or an option I couldn’t think, “What would Dad have done in this situation?” Now I had to think, “What would Pete do in this situation?” These were exciting times and difficult as during this state of flux—learning to replace one man’s vision with another—the devil would come around and say, “But what about what you want? What about what you think?”

Taking on Pete’s vision is a very exciting thing. Studying him, learning more and more about his vision, his convictions, his desires for our family, our time, our money, our spiritual walk has been, well, romantic! Like RC Sproul Jr says, “the most romantic thing in the world is when a man shares his vision with his wife.”


Meanwhile, I read voraciously in search of a real education and deeper purpose. One day I saw a woman from my church mentoring a friend of mine in a local coffee shop. They were reading So Much More. The attractive cover and the words “Visionary Daughters” caught my eye. I will never forget the night I sat on my bed reading that book until 4 in the morning, weeping over it. My heart had ached for a protected mission, a biblically sound mission, an ancient mission. And here it was! What joy! What relief! I was not designed to be an independent woman, but rather part of a man’s life, a helper. And what better man could I help but my dear father?


These people are scary, and they're out there. :scared:

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:02 PM
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1. The funny thing is that they are not feminists by any definition.
Albeit their own.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:04 PM
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2. Idiots! We already know Mom is the boss!
Hush, my baby. baby, dont you cry.
Mommas gonna make all of your nightmares come true.
Mommas gonna put all of her fears into you.
Mommas gonna keep you right here under her wing.
She wont let you fly, but she might let you sing.
Mommas gonna keep baby cozy and warm.
Oooo babe.
Oooo babe.
Ooo babe, of course mommas gonna help build a wall.

Mother, do you think shes good enough,
For me?
Mother, do you think shes dangerous,
To me?
Mother will she tear your little boy apart?
Ooooowaa mother, will she break my heart?

Hush, my baby. baby, dont you cry.
Mommas gonna check out all your girlfriends for you.
Momma wont let anyone dirty get through.
Mommas gonna wait up until you get in.
Momma will always find out where youve been.
Mommas gonna keep baby healthy and clean.
Oooo babe.
Oooo babe.
Ooo babe, youll always be baby to me.

Mother, did it need to be so high?
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:07 PM
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3. I hear this system works pretty good in Saudi Arabia
Nuff said :spank:
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:17 PM
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4. Gosh golly darn that free will.
You'd think we were supposed to be in a free country or something.

I actually made the mistake of falling very much in love with someone who thought very similarly to these girls, but wouldn't have thing one to do with me romantically because I wasn't Christian.

Count that as one lesson learned and one suicide attempt narrowly averted. :(
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:23 PM
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5. You know, you have to wonder if there's some whacked-out comedy team writing this stuff!
They could be sitting in some out-of-the-way room, bouncing ideas off each other. The more the bizarre, the better!

Well, gang. the 'Obama wants to kill old people' shtick is playing itself out. What do you want to do now?
How about if we make feminism more conservative?
You mean, make feminists out of fundies and freeperettes?
Yeah, you know...'Sarah Palin as a feminist?'
BAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! Excellent! Let's do it...!
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:47 PM
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13. There is actually a named law about this..
Poe's Law: Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:25 PM
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6. Sounds a tad 13th century
Commendable sentiment, but misguided.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:29 PM
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7. Onward Christian Doormats
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:36 PM
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8. blue or black?
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:48 PM
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14. Ask your husband or your father. He will know which is best for you.
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:17 PM
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9. this isn't satire? /nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 07:05 PM
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15. Nope
Not satire.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 07:41 PM
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17. I was thinking it was too at first, but it looks real...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:26 PM
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10. fuck the stupid little bitches.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:37 PM
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11. Gee I wonder
if daddy is also going to fill their quiver...
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 06:43 PM
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12. They must mean 'visions'
Geez ladies, if your fathers and husbands are having visions take over for Kryssakes and take them to a doctor! Don't just leave them there drooling on the rug.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 07:38 PM
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16. All I can say is
:puke:
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 08:19 PM
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18. The good news is they're losing ground
At their core, social conservatives such as these basically believe that only heterosexual Anglo males with at least a quarter million in the bank account should have rights.

They're drastically losing ground. Social conservatives have no hope of stopping racial, gender, and sexual preference equality; they might as well try to stop a tornado.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 11:41 PM
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19. The quiverfull movement has only been around since the mid-80's
Among the real nutjobs, theology like this is on the upswing.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:55 AM
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20. WOW!!! Talk about trading one daddy for another.
That's sounds like the fundamentalist's definition of marriage. These women never had to think: daddy or hubby does it for them. These women make it sound like it's a paradise. It doesn't sound like paradise to me.
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