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FreeJG Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 09:20 PM
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Tamiflu causes sickness and nightmares in children, study finds

http://www.timesonline.co.uk:80/tol/news/uk/health/Swine_flu/article6734056.ece

From The Times
July 31, 2009

Tamiflu causes sickness and nightmares in children, study finds
David Rose

Children report a range of side-effects, but the official advice is that Tamiflu is safe

More than half of children taking the swine flu drug Tamiflu experience side-effects such as nausea and nightmares, research suggests.

An estimated 150,000 people with flu symptoms were prescribed the drug through a new hotline and website last week, according to figures revealed yesterday.

Studies of children attending three schools in London and one in the South West showed that 51-53 per cent had one or more side-effects from the medication, which is offered to everyone in England with swine flu symptoms.

The research by the Health Protection Agency emerged as Sir Liam Donaldson, the Chief Medical Officer for England, said that swine flu infections “may have reached a plateau”.

Releasing the latest figures, Sir Liam said that an estimated 110,000 new cases of the H1N1 virus were diagnosed by doctors in the week to Sunday. That did not include those using the new National Pandemic Flu Service for England to obtain antiviral drugs without seeing their GP.

Sir Liam said that the deaths of 27 people in England were confirmed to have been linked to swine flu, compared with 26 last week. As of Wednesday morning 793 people were in hospital in England with the virus, and 81 were in intensive care.

Yesterday Natasha Newman, 16, of Highgate, North London, was seriously ill in hospital in Athens after contracting swine flu while on holiday on the island of Cephalonia. Her parents, Julian Newman and Nikki Boughton, were at her bedside at the Agia Sofia children’s hospital, said a spokeswoman for Mr Newman’s business, J. Newman Textiles. “This is a very distressing and worrying time,” she said.

Peter Holden, the British Medical Association’s lead expert on swine flu, suggested that Tamiflu was being overused and did not need to be offered to everyone with mild symptoms. “The National Pandemic Flu Service has been a great success, and was needed to take the pressure off GPs,” he said. “But the threshold for getting Tamiflu should be quite high.

“For patients who are not in the high-risk groups — such as pregnant women, people with bad asthma or with suppressed immune systems — this virus typically causes mild symptoms and does not require a course of Tamiflu. Patients in the at-risk groups should be referred to their GP, who will use their clinical judgment.”

A total of 103 children took part in the London study, of which 85 were given the drug as a precaution after a classmate received a diagnosis of swine flu. Of those, 45 experienced one or more side-effects. The most common was nausea (29 per cent), followed by stomach pain or cramps (20 per cent) and problems sleeping (12 per cent). Almost one in five had a “neuropsychiatric side-effect”, such as inability to think clearly, nightmares and “behaving strangely”, according to the research, published in Eurosurveillance, a journal of disease.

The study was carried out in April and May when the drug was being issued as a preventive measure. The findings were echoed by a study of children at a school in the South West where a pupil had caught the disease in Mexico.

Health officials in Japan have recommended against prescribing Tamiflu to teenagers over fears it causes a rise in “neuropsychiatric events”. The researchers said that clinical trials had shown that about 20 per cent of adults reported side-effects of either nausea or vomiting after taking Tamiflu.

Both the Department of Health and the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory products Agency said that the drug was safe, and that the benefits of treating early symptoms and avoiding potentially serious complications could outweigh the risks of side-effects.

Sir Liam said that despite a 10 per cent rise in the estimated number of cases in the week to Sunday, the latest figures reinforced “a growing impression we have had a peak”. He said that a surge would still be expected in the winter flu season, but added: “I think we are a little more confident we may be seeing a downturn in this flu.”

Scale of the outbreak

— 110,000 new swine flu cases in England last week, based on data from GPs

— 150,000 people obtaining Tamiflu without seeing a GP since last Thursday

— 51% to 53% proportion of children reporting side-effects from taking Tamiflu

— 1 in 158 people in England have contacted their GP with flu-like symptoms since outbreaks began. The rate is 1 in 77 for children aged 1 to 4

Source: Department of Health

Copyright 2009 Times Newspapers Ltd.

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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:05 PM
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1. Sickness and nightmares in children?
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 11:05 PM by EarlG
At last we learn the real reason why Donald Rumsfeld is such a big investor in Tamiflu.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:10 PM
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2. nausea & bad dreams > death by flu
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:20 PM
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4. this virus typically causes mild symptoms and does not require a course of Tamiflu.
unless of course you are preg, asthmatic, or immune problems dont bother with it.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:36 AM
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6. I agree. I would hope any physician would know this as well. I just find
that being concerned about the Tami because of bad dreams and a little nausea is kinda silly.
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FreeJG Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:15 PM
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12. Please google Dr. Andrew Moulden
He is a expert on vaccines. And the "mandatory" vaccination of children, like what just happened in Massachusetts should concern all of us.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:12 PM
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21. Alright, I googled him.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:12 PM
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3. Umm. Barfing and fever dreams are not side effects of the meds... it's b/c the meds aint working! nt
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:19 AM
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7. that's what i was thinking. n/t
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FreeJG Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:16 PM
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13. It's not about the meds not working, you can't get a vaccine if you are already sick
with the illness....edu yourself.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:30 PM
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5. That's hilarious.
Where can I get some of this wonderful drug?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 02:09 AM
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8. Yeah, I'm sure you can't wait to give it to your own kids.
:puke:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 02:15 AM
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9. Children are being used as guinea pigs in Oklahoma to test flu vaccine
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6181593

Meanwhile, some DUers think it's a-okay to experiment on innocent children. :puke:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:28 AM
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10. But if it was never tested on children, people would worry about giving kids a vaccine only tested
on adults.

All medicines have to go through clinical trials before they're used generally. It isn't that the vaccines are being tested ONLY on children - it's that the trials include children, to see if the vaccine will work with children.

And children can only take part in such trials with parental consent. No child will have it, if the parents don't want it.

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FreeJG Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:19 PM
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14. They did mandatory vaccines on school children in Massachusetts recently!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:23 PM
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18. Mandatory vaccinations are not the same as being forced to be part of an clinical trial
No one is or should be forced to take part in a clinical trial. Some choose to.

Some countries make some vaccines mandatory, at least for school attendance. Many, including my own, do not.

But I did check the Massachusetts vaccination rules, and found that though children are normally required to have them for school, "No child whose parent or guardian states in writing that vaccination or immunization conflicts with his sincere religious beliefs shall be required to present said physician's certificate in order to be admitted to school." - so fairly easy to get out of, if one wishes to.

In any case, what I said was that no one is mandated to take part, or allow their child to take part, in a trial of a medication or vaccine that is still experimental.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:20 PM
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15. It's unethical and wrong. You know that so quit defending it. Did you give it to YOUR kids too?
Apologists like you make me sick. :puke:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:17 PM
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16. I owe a great deal of my own quality of life to the fact that my parents let ME receive a still-
experimental treatment when I was still a child, for a disorder I had. It revolutionized my life for the better.

Is it always the best thing to be part of an experimental trial? - no. But sometimes it is.

If you don't want a vaccine, or other medicine, for yourself or your family, don't have it. Just like with birth control, abortion, or treatments resulting from stem cell research.

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:08 PM
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19. It'd be loony and wrong not to do it.
If you actually research the story instead of glancing at the title and assuming the worst, you'd find out that it's tested on adults first before kids will be tested.

Illiterate people like you make me laugh.
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FreeJG Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:12 PM
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11. Are they sterilizing girls????
ala guardsail vaccine?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:09 PM
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20. Yes, absolutely.
It's that documentary "Children of Men" all over again.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:22 PM
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17. OH NO NIGHTMARES! IT SHOULD BE BANNED! nt
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