For those that need the health reform now

you need to know that it won't come now.

In several posts where some have suggested that Obama or the progressives ought to turn down the bills written by the insurance lobbies, many have said how we need a bill now. They cite the needs that so many have for decent health services. My son is one. My neighbor is another. I know how much they need any help they can get as soon as possible.

But the bills that they are discussing won't kick in for some time. It would be better to throw this crap out and get the public behind real reform. Scare the corporates by threatening true reform and don't accept less. With a bill that doesn't guarantee profits for pharma and insurance we could get something before 2015.

they had access to health care services when they needed it.

Even Obama has said it would take the current plans "years" to ramp up and the CBO said that by 2019 only 10 million people would be covered by the public option.

If HR3200 is passed as written, a lot of people are going to die waiting for it to take effect. That's another reason we should be insisting on Medicare for All - contrary to what the president has said single payer is not "starting from scratch". The infrastructure is in place and Medicare could be expanded more quickly that the very weak "public option" (which needs to built) that is being proposed in the current bills.

If they passed the bill tomorrow as it is being reported, those people would die for the next six or seven years.

Stop trying to be so dramatic. If you settle for the insurance corporation written bill, those people are still screwed. If you think that Baucus and his cronies are going to take care of people, you just aren't paying attention.

Better to fight for a bill that will cover people now, not when the insurance companies think they can put it off to.

Your concern for those fifty families is well placed, but the way you want to help them won't do them any good.

a workable plan that can be started almost immediately and that would be extending Medicare to all. Everything is in place, so go and demand it.

Congress didn't wait until they could pay for the bailouts. They put it into effect immediately. THeir hand wringing and gams are lies and evil incarnate. The best pare of having a faith is being able to believe that Baucus and his ilk will roast in hell.

Single-payer is the answer. However, I know Single-payer will never pass. Not because the American People don't want it, but because our system is corrupt enough not to allow it. Not today. Perhaps tomorrow.

The Public Option is the next best thing. It has many draw-backs that would be solved by a Single-Payer system. I believe tat will become apparent eventually.

Anything less than than a Public Option will doom any real reform in our life-times.

That is my opinion.

if we were getting a strong public option, but that doesn't appear to be what we would get.

Of course it isn't finished yet, but mostly the reports are not good. What little we would get wouldn't even be available for years.

Hey 30X, instead of preemptively sniveling on the internet, do something proactive and call your representatives.

You can crawl back in your hole to make more confetti. The rest of us will continue to monitor our bought and paid for politicians in an effort to shape legislation in the only way possible - by information and action.

Sorry if it irks you.