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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:33 AM
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Poll question: Should the Democratic Party reject all corporate contributions?
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:35 AM
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1. No, they should ban all contributions, period.
Total public financing is the solution to corporate influence in gov't.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:35 PM
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13. Word.
Why are politicians in the business of buying elections in the first place?
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 01:43 AM
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15. The real question is how do we get them to stop?
When they are the ones that benefit.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 02:03 AM
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18. Hear, hear! n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:36 AM
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2. That would be stupid
The most heavily advertised candidate usually wins. Advertising costs money. More money good, less money bad.

K&U

:kick:
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:46 AM
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4. I think that was my first k&u
thanks.
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:30 PM
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11. Then outlaw campagin advertising.
Institute Candidate Election Broadcasts (similar to the UK)
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:44 AM
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3. No, massive corporate contributions should be banned,
Since a corporation has "personhood", why isn't each corporation limited to the $2000 maximum?
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:48 AM
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6. you're the sly one!
:hi:
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:47 AM
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5. Campaign financing is clearly broken . . .
The fix is beyond me. Public funding would exclude anyone but the existing parties and fossilize political thought. Lobbying effectively means those with the money (and it doesn't take that much) can buy key politicians and get everything they want. Disclosure doesn't achieve anything significant. I'm baffled.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:15 AM
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8. It would be easy to fix. Here is one example I thought up in a few minutes.
for every 1000 dollars given to a candidate, the Candidate gets 200 dollars, 200 goes to his opponent in main election, and 200 to every primary challenger with some amount of signatures on a petition. The rest goes in a fund for when there is many primary challengers in some other districts.

But then the money would go to independent groups that ran advertisements. So for every advertisement ran on an issue, the person paying for the advertisement must pay for an advertisement in the same time slot by an opposing group, on the same channel.

Although finding what is an 'opposing' group would be difficult so any opposing group could petition as an opposing group and a lottery drawn citizen panel would review what group is most considered opposing, if it was a tri or quad opinion item, they would have to pay for all the groups to have equal time. Then before advertisement is ran, it would be submitted to panel, and opposing groups would have 2 days to review the Internet displayed advertisement and submit a rebuttal.

Bulk mailers would be under same requirement.

Any news coverage on events that effect society, as deemed by the lottery drawn citizen panel, would require rebuttal on next day if seen to be politically motivated.


It would hinder, if not remove, much of the influence of contributions over $1000.

If you say 'that would never happen, they would never allow it.' Then that means people think it is their country to set the rules. So the problem is yours if you don't even believe citizens should make the rules. People could make it happen if they wanted it to.

All that would have to happen is for the law to be passed in one town, then a few towns, then a few cities, finally states, then nation wide.

It is not an infringement of free speech, because no speech is stopped, just rules of debate are used when the speech is about social issues.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:19 PM
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10. Sounds pretty complicated and also subjective in terms of who's in opposition . . .
But since I ain't got nothin', I'm not going to criticize it broadly.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 01:45 AM
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16. "Public funding would exclude anyone but the existing parties and fossilize political thought"
Untrue. Done well, it would undo the total domination of the 2 majors and would have a relatively low threshold for financing smaller parties.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 02:31 AM
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19. Should taxpayers money be used to support KKK
supporting Parties?
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 03:21 AM
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20. The KKK are not nearly as much of a threat to us as Goldman Sachs
They would never gain power. They have public finance in other countries, you know, and I don't see any new Hitlers coming to power through it. And if neo-Nazis were a viable party in the USA, you can be sure they'd get plenty of money from corporations.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 03:40 AM
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21. The BNP are a bunch of Neo Nazis in the UK.
Now that they have won two seats in the European Parliament, they are entitled to public money to spread their hate.

Their hate spreads fear.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 03:50 AM
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22. Two seats.
Think of Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Jeff Sessions, etc. We've had more racists in our government than that. And what's the trade-off? Sensible social policies? I'm not afraid of having David Duke in one seat of a much-less-corrupt congress.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:55 AM
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7. Until the system is fixed, no. It'd be political suicide.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:37 AM
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9. What you gotta do is figure out how to make the other team's pitcher
stop throwing spit balls.

If you pledge not to throw spit balls you'll feel that you have done a good thing and that fairness should prevail.

But if your teammates have to stand in the batter's box knowing the opposing guy on the mound is going to throw spit balls at you, you're in effect forfeiting the game.

And that's no game at all.


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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:32 PM
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12. No, we should take whatever they give us and knife them when they look away. nt
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:39 PM
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14. Political contirbutions of all types should be reduced to a maximum of $1.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 01:54 AM
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17. Nah, just use more stick and a hell of a lot less carrot.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 04:05 AM
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23. only if they want to lose & disappear,
you don't get elected to any high office without corporate support.
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