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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:46 PM
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Please Cut The Crap - Excellent Exhaustive Debunk of RW Healthcare Chain Email
Deconstructing the Right Wing Lies on the Health Insurance Bill

The right's lies about the current health insurance proposals before Congress have rarely been compiled in such concise form before.


What follows is an article from the Right Wing blog ChronWatch:


Page After Page of Reasons to Hate ObamaCare

By Alan Caruba


The problem is, there's something missing, such as context. See, the writer is expecting the reader to take everything as gospel, and agree that it's bad, without any sort of explanation. It's a list of all of the things that are wrong with the current state of the health care reform bill before Congress. If you'd like to follow along, feel free to click here to go to the bill itself. In fact, I would encourage you to look at it for yourself; it's an easy way to learn what's actually in it, without having to read through all pf the legalese.



We're not called Please Cut the Crap for no reason. Below each item the right wing assures readers we're supposed to hate, I've inserted context, and explained why you really shouldn't hate it. Unless you should. All of my responses are italicized and printed in red, so that you can tell whose words are whose.


I'll warn you, this is a long one, but it's an important one, so get a glass of tea, print this out, and read it to everyone who spews one of these talking points, because this really does touch on pretty much all of the right's talking points. And now you'll be able to refute them. Isn't that cool?




Now, let's continue with the article.
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• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!



The section actually starts on page 26, and it's entitled:

SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.




There is absolutely NO section in there, from page 26 through page 30, that indicates rationing of any kind. Looking at Page 29 specifically, it contains a section called "Annual Limitation." A-HA! See? It's a LIMITATION! That's the same as rationing, right? Didn't they admit rationing?



Well, no. Because the limit is on the amount that people will have to pay out in cost-sharing, should the agency implementing the bill decide to use a version of cost-sharing. The limit is on how much a patient will have to pay, not a limit on the health care the patient receives.Watch how many times these tools bring up the "rationing" canard. It's almost as often as they mention ACORN. (I kid you not. Just wait.)



See what I mean when I say we have to watch these people, and check their "facts?"




Please read and distribute the entire piece: http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2009/07/deconstructing-the-right-wing-lies-health-bill.html

Kudos to these folks for their hard work!!!:toast: :fistbump:
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abelenkpe2 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:50 PM
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1. Thank you!
This really needs to be used to help debunk the baloney coming from the right. I cannot thank you enough for posting this. :)
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:05 PM
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2. You're welcome! This is a great link and I have applied much ownage over RW trolls with it
Please keep this kicked!!!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:45 PM
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3. That's awesome, but now can someone edit to create....

a version for dummies?

There is NO WAY most people on the fence about this stuff will read that much...with such big words. The ones already on the dark side are, I fear, there for good. It's the fence sitters I'd like to reach.

:)
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 02:14 PM
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4. Most wouldn't even slow down to read it
If you don't put things in 30 second sound bytes the general population doesn't hear anything.
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:17 PM
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6. That's the advantage the propagandist has. They can throw as much BS against
the wall they want. The anti propagandist has to debunk each point with more than just a single sentence, bogging down efforts to get the truth out.

This is how they operate, all we can do is respond, debunk, and hope good sense wins out.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 12:46 PM
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16. Proof positive is in the comments section, particularly with loser Freeptard "Mfrizzle"
This brain surgeon couldn't debate without using ad hominems and Rushbot parrot sentences at gunpoint. All he wants to do is use the same tired "Red Menace" smack that Freeps cannot and will not let go of for whatever reason.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:07 PM
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5. Jeebus! That's thorough. n/t
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:00 PM
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7. Bump n/t.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:17 PM
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8. K&R
:kick:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:36 PM
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9. Superb! k/r nt
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 12:59 AM
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10. KnR n Thanks for posting! eom
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 09:52 AM
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11. Fantastic resource - thank you. K&R -nt
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left of center Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 11:24 AM
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12. got one of those email forwards the other day
It was from a good acquaintance. I usually just delete them and leave it at that, but I could not help but respond in this case, because it was so over-the-top. I basically talked about how my insurance has deteriorated over the years to a high deductible no-copay plan that essentially amounts to catastrophe insurance. I went on to add that in the coming years half of this country will either have no health insurance or will have insurance that is not much different than having none at all!

Of course, I selected the "reply to all" button.
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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 11:42 AM
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13. thank goodness for the internets!
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zoff Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 11:45 AM
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14. Excellent!
Those lying pieces of crap ... I hope their insurance rates triple next year.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 12:10 PM
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15. Bookmarked, saved to hard drive, kicked, and recommended. Thank. You. So. Much.
I am prepared. :fistbump:

Hekate
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