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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:54 PM
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Where are the Progressives?
In the midst of this fundamental institutional crisis in capitalism, what is the progressive movement doing to make this country a better country, this world a better world? Does the current "progressive movement" even have an agenda, a plan, or any clue as to what to do to address the serious systemic flaws in our social and financial institutions?

Few people realize that the cities, counties, and states are experiencing their budget shortfalls precisely because the Federal and state government(s) under the current system are not allowed to create fiat moneys (checkbook money, for starters) in the name of the People.

Instead, they must issue interest-bearing bonds and borrow "money" from banks. The State, then becomes the instrument by which the bond-holding class — the owners of the banks — extort and oppress the people in order to receive back their pound of flesh, the interest on their bonds, payable either in taxes, fines, fees, levees, or bail.

"The system of pump-priming the economy through debt, otherwise known as credit expansion, is technically called deficit-financing.

"Deficit-financing through government spending or borrowing by increasing the public debt is now necessary to subsidize the whole profit-system economy-the economy of the entire capitalist world...

"The servicing of the public debt, or the paying of the interest charge (profit to the banks or other bond holders) on the capitalist nation's state, city, or country bonds, is reflected in higher and higher tax rates as the debt load deepens. The injections of debt-credit money are steadily increasing through the entire capitalist world."


http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2007/03/83855.html



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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:56 PM
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1. Good question. We won the election and we've sat on our asses ever since.

While the right reorganizes. We need some fire breathing leaders to throw us some red meat.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:03 PM
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2. Which progressives?
Edited on Sat Aug-01-09 04:13 PM by autorank
These progressives funded by major corporations - http://www.questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html -

or the people who freely post here, at Chimp, Agonist, OpEdNews, etc.

Bought and sold spokespeople for the "left" are still bought and sold.



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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:07 PM
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3. K&R
How long can Capitalism hold on?

:shrug:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:26 PM
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4. Doing what they have always done since the 1970s: Obsess over petty social/religious issues
Edited on Sat Aug-01-09 04:26 PM by anonymous171
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:46 PM
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8. BINGO!!!
Today's Progressives ONLY give a damn about their own Chic Special Interest and ignore the masses.

They claim a superior intelligence and understanding, but cannot figure out why people would vote against their alleged 'best interests.'

To all you self proclaimed 'Progressives' out there... When you only offer the People chump change token effort gimmicks, you do nothing to advance any of your own Chic Special Interests, because you are NOT doing anything for the Peoples' best interests. People can see that you ONLY want to use their support for your Chic Special Interest.
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:31 PM
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5. They're being ignored - same as it ever was. nt
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:32 PM
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6. they might be discussing and getting involved with
issues like these:
http://www.stwr.org/

sustainable economics to end world poverty
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 05:20 PM
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9. Actually I think that is what we are doing. Getting involved in both
international groups that are working for change and localization ideas that are making a change at home. We are also trying to help get some change in Congress but that does not seem to be working out so well - Congress does not want to change. The International groups I know about are KIVA, Save the Children, Oxfam, and others like them. Locally many of us are simplifying our own lives and working to create community gardening and other things like that. I know it is not much but if each of us is doing something in these areas we are working toward change.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:37 PM
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7. They're busy arguing for massive "humanitarian" military interventions.
To "save" the women of WhereTheFuckistan.
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