If we get this on a universal health care status.. I will be a happy camper.. flame away

That old canard about watching legislation being worked on is like watching sausage being made, is so true... You are not going to get everything you want, and some of that meat in that sausage is mystery meat.

But if we can get all kids under age 18 covered by a government health care plan if the parents do not have a private plan to cover them.. It is an overwhelming victory as far as I am concerned.

In Iowa we have a program called Hawkeye that does just that..when you think about 10 % of all of our children not being covered for health care, meaning they do not have preventive care also.. it is a crime.

Now I know I am walking into a nest of killer bees here, but if we can get our children covered, preventive health care.. then we are well on our way to single payer, and cost reductions because children will have the care they need on an ongoing basis and not just emergency care.

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The number of uninsured children in 2007 was 8.1 million – or 10.7 percent of all children in the U.S.1http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml

as right now many states do have programs to make sure that kids are covered for the basics. It's stupid here in Arkansas, though, because coverage is based on income. I know of one family with an autistic child who went through a nightmare when the father got a raise--they lost coverage, and of course the employer didn't provide health care--it wound up costing them money, and the upshot was the father went to the employer and begged to be put back on his lower salary.

What is it about us working age folk that makes us undesirable in terms of healthcare coverage under something such as an expanded Medicare program for everyone?

if they do not have an employer's plan to cover them, that would be nice.

That would be a start to expanding Medicare to cover everybody.

Then that is 2/3rds of our populace.. and how can they in the end deny single payer to all Americans.. Sort of a back door, sneak it up on them.

we wouldn't be gaining a thing.

Think this through...

by either medicare or parents who have an insurance program that covers them. Ten million children of working parents without insurance.

I am covered, my child is covered, and I am willing to pay a tax increase if we cover all kids. I think most people will not fight that.

Even the right cannot fight that.

We get the young, the old covered.

It would be a victory to me.

I want everyone covered..but if I can get all those kids covered, that is a victory to me.

millions of working people pay taxes and have no, NO, NO health care. Not all of them have children under eighteen. Where do you live? on Venus?

again.. having 10 million children not covered for care is a crime. If you cannot use that to batter down the right, then there is not hope for anyone..

Let me edit to add.. ask any parent who has no insurance.. what is the most important thing for them... it is getting their kids covered ..

teenagers who rarely need to see a doctor. I think it's pretty selfish to think it's ok to insure kids who don't need it while you let hard working people flounder and sometimes die. Almost every state has some provision for under eighteen children for low income families. There is virtually nothing for working people who cannot get insurance.

Insurance companies insure children for a comparatively small premium. As people get older they begin to get sicker and more difficult to insure. Premiums skyrocket.

I'm sure insurance companies would love your idea. What a cheap way for them to solve their problems.

As I said, flame away..

Do you think having a sick or crippled parent who skips out on medication to provide the basics is a pleasant experience for a young child?

You are posing a false dichotomy: pitting two groups not in opposition against one another.

you live on.

adolescent can get preventive care.. I am seeing that as a victory. I want universal single payer care for everyone. If I have to take it a 1/3rd at a time.. okay.. at least I will get it.

Diabetes, Heart Disease, Cancers are not short term disease that develop over night.. they start in childhood.

Do you know that almost 50% of all the bone you will lay down in your skeletal system is between the ages of 10 and 15.. That is where osteoporosis starts.. not when you are 65.

until you become an adult. Insurance won't feed your children correctly or put sun block on them. You do that yourself. But if they do develope those problems when they become adults, then under your brilliant plan, they are sh&t out of luck.

Any way I'm bored with this. Your argument doesn't hold water for anyone but Jon & Kate and their eight.

here because we are humans with hearts who are capable of seeing how mean spirited your solution is. I feel sorry for your kids when they reach 19. Their lives won't mean much to you Mommy Dearest.

And if you can't see that, then it is a case of who owns the problem. Preventive health care in that birth to 18 stage is all important to the future health of everyone. And I want complete coverage, if I can get it for that age group, as it is for the 65 plus group... then I am 2/3rd the way to complete coverage for everyone.

Your solution is if take it away from everyone? I am not following you

Thing is, fundies have no problem with the idea of kids paying for the sins and adequacies, real or perceived, of their parents. They preach the Gospel of personal responsibility with one side of their mouth while at the same time exalting the fact that people are being punished for things outside of their control.

Who needs them anyway?

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What about the elderly? How about if they're guaranteed health care and housing and food for life at no expense to them? How about the handicapped? How about everybody, regardless of whether they have a job or not?

How about middle class families of 4?

And all the elderly have medicare.. That to me would be the ideal.. medicare for everyone. But if I can get the kids to 18 covered with medicare.. I have the post 65 covered with medicare.. I am 2/3rds the way there.

Getting preventive care to kids is the most important population we can target for long term good health.

I am talking about covering all kids, no matter what their income is. If the parents want to use their own insurance.. let them. But the kids have coverage as a birthright.

AND out-of-pocket expenses, AND putting a cap on rising costs. This will just about do it for me.

drop people all the time, when they hit that cap.. or will not take them on when they change jobs.