caller on Thom Hartman's show

just said he opposed health care reform because we don't have a health care crisis in this country... said he got his insurance through a state program??? This is what we are dealing with!

Sadly, the wingnut mobs seem to be getting their message across...

I have another one of these types that popped up on a message board I visit.

Good god, what a long list of crap and reasons why not.

Woman doesn't work nor have a job and is relying on the husband and HIS insurance to cover herself.

Makes me sick! :puke:

:kick:

But they view themselves as quasi-libertarian types who vote Republican. Makes me sick.

who thinks we all just need to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, but this guy, on the radio, was the type that has just bought into the rhetoric and hype that has been pushed on him.

same mentality... Michelle Maulkin was on ABC news yesterday morning and maintained that we need to stop unemployment benefits because it just keeps people from going out and getting a job.

how to confront the irrational, misguided, emotional nay sayers

the other more rational part of me says fuck them and ignore them!

Assholes don't know the reality.

However, the day will come will they will find out how pathetic the health care system in the USA is!

:kick:

they are part of the national dialog (albeit an irrational voice), they are misguided and can effect change

even though they are now minimized in power, they still exist.

When will they wake the fuck up is what I wonder?

Answer is the day they have NO INSURANCE!

I've seen it cause many to rather suddenly "change" so to speak and boy do they change fast when they walk in the other person's moccasins and find they have NO INSURANCE!

He's always full of tips on how to "win the water cooler wars". His books also shed light on how we got here, and some of the steps we can/have to take if we truly want our country back.

Confrontation isn't likely to help with folks like this. You might be better off suggesting that they get all sides of any story, and think about what ever matter it is in a more objective light before echoing the sentiments of an agenda driven position and calling them their own.

Most people like this don't want to take the time to think through to a solution that serves a common interest.

and you are correct in that the town hall protesters don't research and think for themselves or they would realize health care reform and the ideas of the Obama Administration would help them and our country to be strong. (also, I have been listening to Thom Hartman off and on for 35 years - I lived downstairs from him at one time):hi:

THE ONE THING I SEE VERY GOOD ABOUT IT--IS THE PROVISION- TO KEEP INSURANCE COMPANIES FROM EXCLUDING PEOPLE FROM PREVIOUS CONDITIONS

• Sec. 122, Pg. 29, Lines 4-16 - YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!

• Sec. 123, Pg. 30 - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE deciding what treatments and benefits you get

• Sec. 152, Pg. 50-51 - HC will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.

• Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 - Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care.)

• Sec. 163, Pg. 59, Lines 21-24 - Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.


• Sec. 223, Pg. 124, Lines 24-25 - No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “administrative of judicial review” against a government monopoly

• Sec. 225, Pg. 127, Lines 1-16 - Doctors – the government will tell YOU what you can make. “The Secretary shall provide for the annual participation of physicians under the public health insurance option, for which payment may be made for services furnished during the year.”

• Sec. 401.59B, Pg. 167, Lines 18-23 - ANY individual who does not have acceptable care, according to government, will be taxed 2.5% of income

• Sec. 441, Pg. 203, Lines 14-15 - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.

• Sec. 1121, Pg. 239, Lines 14-24 - The government will limit and reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income and poor are the ones affected.

• Sec. 1121, Pg. 241, Lines 6-8 - Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have; you’ll all be paid the same. “Service categories established under this paragraph shall apply without regard to the specialty of the physician furnishing the service.”

• Sec. 1145, Pg. 272 - Treatment of certain cancer hospitals: Cancer patients and their treatment are open to rationing!

• Sec. 1177, Pg. 354 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people! “Extension of Authority of Special Needs Plans to Restrict Enrollment.”

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 4-12 - Government mandates Advance (Death) Care Planning consultation. Think Senior Citizens and end of life. END-OF-LIFE COUNSELING. SOME IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED RATIONING HEALTH CARE FOR THE ELDERLY

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 425, Lines 17-19 - Government WILL instruct and consult regarding living wills and durable powers of attorney. Mandatory end-of-life planning!
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• Sec. 1233, Pg. 427, Lines 15-24 - Government mandates program for orders for life-sustaining treatment (i.e. end of life). The government has a say in how your life ends.

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 10-12 - “Advanced Care Consultation” may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans - from the government.

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 429, Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which Doctors (professional authority under state law includes Nurse Practitioners or Physician’s Assistants) can write an end-of-life order.

• Sec. 1233, Pg. 430, Lines 11-15 - The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life, according to preset methods (not individually decided

• Sec. 1308, Pg. 489 - The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. This will involve government control of your marriage.

• Sec. 1401, Pg. 503, Lines 13-19 - The government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records. “The Center may secure directly from any department or agency of the United States information necessary to enable it to carry out this section.”

• Sec. 1501 (beginning), Pg. 659-670 - Doctors in Residency – government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.

• Sec. 1701 (beginning), Pg. 739-756 - The government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (and you have to pay for them).

• Sec. 1711, Pg. 764 - The government will require preventative services - including vaccinations (no choice).

• Sec. 1713, Pg. 768, Lines 3-5 - Nurse Home Visit Services – Service #1: “Improving maternal or child health and pregnancy outcomes or increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Compulsory ABORTIONS?
SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER IN THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL --
what are some of the things you like and hate in the bill--what would you like to see included-- As the outcome of this action will affect your life and your families--

• Sec. 1733, Pg. 788-798 - Government will set and mandate drug prices, therefore controlling which drugs are brought to market. (Goodbye innovation and private research.)

• Sec.1751, Pg. 800 - The government will decide which Health Care conditions will be paid. Say “RATION!”
• Sec. 2251, Pg. 915 - Government MANDATES cultural and linguistic competency training for HC professionals

• Sec. 2511, Pg. 992 - Government will establish school-based “health” clinics. Your children will be indoctrinated and your grandchildren may be aborted!

• Sec. 2521, Pg. 1000 - The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?

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This is just part of it - apparently this shit is being circulated in the neocon email. :puke: :puke: :puke:

MEDICARE IS BROKE

MEDICAID IS BROKE

S SECURITY IS BROKE

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER RAN A SUCCESSFUL
BUSINESS VENTURE

HOW DARE THEY EXPECT US TO TRUST THEM ON SOMETHING AS EXTENSIVE AS THIS

THEY NEED TO THROW OBAMACARE TO THE DOGS

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He'll learn when he has no insurance. Oh yeah baby, bring it on!