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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 06:30 PM
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I think the Lou Dobbs advertisement lacks content
Edited on Mon Aug-03-09 06:35 PM by garybeck
whoever made the Lou Dobbs ad by media matters shown here

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/anti-birther-ad-to-slam-dobbs-during-his-own-program/

needs to take a lesson on advertising and politics

nowhere in the ad does it ever say anything about how the Hawaii birth certificate has been proven to be real. it leaves the door open for "birthers" to continue thinking what they think.

it would have taken 5 seconds to include a statement "independent experts at FactCheck.Org have seen the Hawaii birth certificate and verified beyond all doubt that it is real including the raised seal that 'birthers' claim is missing. Still Lou Dobbs gives credence to lies that the birth certificate is fake by covering the story and interviewing people who believe so."

without that it's a hollow attack on Dobbs without any substance.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 06:34 PM
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1. The ad could have
been done better.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 06:34 PM
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2. Listen to the first line -
it states that the claim is "false."

They were ahead of you on that one............
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 06:37 PM
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3. just saying it's false is not a very good argument.
there's plenty of evidence that could actually convince people it is false they could point to. like I said, 5 seconds is all it would take. just saying it's false does nothing.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 06:39 PM
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4. I disagree -
You don't need to beat people over the head with "false" - you need to emphasize that Dobbs is espousing it.

Thirty seconds is not a lot of time.....................
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 06:44 PM
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5. you have to consider that some people still believe the birther thing
a recent poll in Virginia showed 50% of the people actually are believing the birther shit. this ad was an opportunity to show people it's a crock of shit. the factcheck.org report basically puts it to rest. just saying it's false does nothing. If I was "on the fence" on the issue, there is nothing in the ad that would change my mind.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 06:57 PM
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6. And you think a commercial will
change their minds?

That's not the purpose of this commercial - it's meant to show up Lou Dobbs for the fool he is - the ad's directed at people who already know it's nonsense.

That's why you're getting tangled up - you're thinking of a different demographic, and those people are not to whom the ad is directed.........
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 08:20 PM
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7. again, i disagree
people can and will change their minds if they just know the facts. the ad was a good opportunity to inform people that the HI certificate was independently verified as real.

consider this.... a couple years ago dobbs spent a lot of time on the voting machines, and rightly so. some right wingers could have put an ad on there criticizing him for covering the issue. they could have said it was nothing but a conspiracy theory, just like this ad does.

without any reference to facts, it's really just blowing hot air. it would have helped the argument tremendously to just say the certificate has been independently verified. that would take only 2 seconds, not even 5.

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