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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:10 AM
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Some RW'er email: "Obama to sell B2 bomber plans to China"
Apologies if you've already seen this. This wouldn't be the same thing as selling say...Saddam Hussein the WMD's he killed his own people with would it? This wouldn't be the same as training Bin Laden who later attacked us would it? :sarcasm:

What's this really all about? I can't find a "Boston Reviewer"

B-2 Plans for Sale?
Richard Hogarty
Boston Reviewer
June 1, 2009


Record deficits and a crashing economy appear to be taking a toll on the young Barack Obama Administration. The Administration has been talking about hiking income taxes and perhaps instituting a VAT tax.

China is also concerned with the mounting deficits in the United States budget. China is the single biggest holder of US Treasury Bonds and is one of Washington's biggest trading partners. The People's Republic has had a burgeoning economy, but is increasingly wary of the falling US dollar.

While the exact amount of Chinese ownership of US treasuries is unknown, it is estimated to add up to over a trillion dollars. If China were to call in US guarantees on these bonds, economists fear it could lead to an economic collapse larger than the Great Depression.

China has recently expanded its defense budget, ostensibly to keep up with its economic growth. China is reportedly working on its own version of a stealth bomber (the US has the only functioning model) but is lagged by technological defects.

On April 1st, President Obama spoke to Chinese Premier Hu Jintao during the G20 Summit. During this meeting, Mr. Hu expressed interest in writing off some of the US debt in exchange for military technology. The President has since referred the matter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

The Defense Department is reportedly furious with the President's proposal to sell blueprints of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber to the People's Republic. Gates has flatly rejected the President's plan, but has since been asked to step down if he will not facilitate the process.

According to the deal, the United States would sell the plans for the B-2, along with radar-absorbing paints and metals in exchange for $50 billion in debt relief. The B-2 cost the US government $23 billion to develop the bomber in the 1980s.

According to the Administration, this proposal will help the United States resolve its debt issues. They point out their belief that the B-2 bomber is "strategically obsolete", according to a source in the White House Press Office. In addition, the source claims that the Chinese would be unable to create their own functioning stealth bomber fleet for "at least eight years."

American allies Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea are very wary of the proposal. Koo Syi, a geopolitical analyst from South Korea, points out that this technology could be passed to China's allies. This was the case when Chinese nuclear technology was transferred to Pakistan and North Korea. According to Koo, Obama has rendered US allies' opinions as "irrelevant."

While this proposal is controversial, it is not being presented to Congress, where it could meet with stern opposition. Instead, the State Department has been informed to assist the Defense Department with the transfer of materials.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:15 AM
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1. I say it's a good deal! 30 year old designs for a bomber that is not really effective against
sophisticated defenses.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:16 AM
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2. Why would he need to? Don't they build the damn thing there already?
They just have to go to the file cabinet. It's not like they respect intellectual property law.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:17 AM
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3. This is an evil capitalist plot
to bankrupt China. Sell them blueprints to a plane that will wipe them out to build.

Anyway, only republicans are permitted to commit treason.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:21 AM
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4. Call in a Treasury Bond. Priceless.
hile the exact amount of Chinese ownership of US treasuries is unknown, it is estimated to add up to over a trillion dollars. If China were to call in US guarantees on these bonds, economists fear it could lead to an economic collapse larger than the Great Depression.

US Bonds are not callable. Never have and never will. You don't even get principle payments. The US sets the terms and if you like them you buy it and if you don't you walk.

Example:
$10,000 30 year bond.
5% interest

US pays 500 interest per year ($250 twice a year) for 30 years and then repays the note in full.
year 1: $500
year 2: $500
year 3: $500
....
year 29: $500
year 30: $500
year 30: $10,000

total interest paid: $500 * 30 = $15,000.

There is no calling. Plus calling has nothing to do with guarantees. Calling simply means 100% repayment now. Lastly how does the US guarantee a US treasury bond. It would be like guaranteeing I won't declare default on my car loan.

Idiots. I never even got to the junk on the "obsolete" B-2.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:21 AM
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5. Too late. Two Bushes already did.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:22 AM
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6. Its like the Russian shuttle....obsolete.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:23 AM
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7. Making shit up is 90% of the GOP propaganda machine.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:23 AM
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8. I say go for it, and then swap out the plans at the last second
Edited on Tue Aug-04-09 09:24 AM by Wickerman
for Hughes' Spruce Goose (Hughes H-4 Hercules). Of course, the Chinese might get the better end of the deal.



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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:33 AM
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9. Since we're borrowing $ 150 billion per month
to finance our deficit, you'd think we'd get more than 10 days debt relief for the plans to the stealth bomber.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 10:14 AM
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10. LOL...we might as well sell them the plans for the de Havilland Comet
it's not quite as old, has better build quality, and the Chinese would get a LOT more useful value out of it...

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 10:36 AM
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11. The fact that Richard Hogarty actually gets out of bed in the morning
I would call it a heroic act. Imagine having all these unfounded fears chasing around in your brain like a pack of rabid ferrets, and still having the moxie to get out of bed in the morning. If I had all these scurrilous hobgoblins occupying my mind, I'd be paralyzed with fear, sitting red-eyed in the corner of my bedroom, pistol at the ready to shoot anything suspicious. Like an air current.

Richard Hogarty, I salute you and your warped consciousness! :patriot:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 10:43 AM
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12. I thought Clinton already did this?
:shrug: :D
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