Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Memo To All Biggots Every Where: Stop Blaming "Political Correctness" For Your Inability To Adjust

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:12 PM
Original message
Memo To All Biggots Every Where: Stop Blaming "Political Correctness" For Your Inability To Adjust
We all live in a globalized, multi-cultural world, and those who harbor hatred of their fellow man based on race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. will be left behind. It's not "political correctness" that's your problem. Your problem is the fact that your personal biggotries are no longer accepted by the mainstream, and instead of working on correcting yourself, you want to blame the outside world. Instead of understanding that your biggotry makes you ignorant and working on overcoming it, you cling to the notion that it's the outside world that is to blame. It's everyone else's fault that your views are no longer accepted.

Now, am I saying that you don't have a constitutional right to be a biggot? No, I am not. There are still people who are openly members of the KKK, but you don't see them in positions of importance, do you? There's a reason for that. You can't be a KKK member and be able to do business in China or India.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:18 PM
Original message
Yup
There are whole threads going right now with people whining about being confronted about their racism. It's sick and sad they don't own it because until you acknowledge it you cannot change it.
K&R for you.
Lee
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:26 PM
Response to Original message
4. It really explains the "Why isn't an apology enough?" question
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 07:33 PM by alcibiades_mystery
That question seems to have very little to do with Don Imus. It seems to have everything to do with establishing a social protocol that maintains white privilege. Yes, yes, they say. We can hash over these issues in the symbolic realm, but that should be the limit of it. It shouldn't affect my real conditions. This is, in fact, the state of race in America since the waning of the great civil rights struggles: change at the symbolic level, grinding repetition of racial power at the level of real conditions.

This is why the issue of the "apology" has taken on such power. An apology should be enough because these disputes are waged purely at the level of the symbolic. The gasping horror that white America seems to feel about Imus actually getting - Oh MY! - fired over this tells us everything we need to know. That would be a consequence at the level of real conditions, not merely a symbolic consequence. And for a white America that maintains white privilege at the level of the real, that's utterly unacceptable and horrifying.

This should be clear enough: every attempt to institute change at the level of the symbolic is heartily applauded (for instance, that asinine movie Crash). On the other hand, any attempt to institute change at the level of the real is fought tooth and nail (say, school funding, or affirmative action programs). The first can be assimilated. The second actually threatens white privilege ("But if there are 2 million more qualified applicants...! Gasp gasp gasp!"). This context is wrapped up in the "apology" issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #4
28. Excellent nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:26 PM
Response to Original message
5. it's sickening
I had no idea people were still so clueless.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:17 AM
Response to Original message
41. Did Bernie apologize yet?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:18 PM
Original message
And to all those "I regret my abortion" people...
no one told you to have an abortion. You chose to do so. That is your PERSONAL responsibility. Remember? Reagan told you to have responsibility for yourselves! Well, then....just do that, O.K!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:49 AM
Response to Original message
31. So now it's politically incorrect to feel regret?
Regreting an action and taking responsibility for an action is NOT mutually exclusive.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #31
42. These people are claiming that this is a reason why abortion should...
be overturned. They want a "nanny-state" government! It's quite hypocritical for these people to want this when they preach about the need for less government.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:18 PM
Response to Original message
1. And to all those "I regret my abortion" people...
no one told you to have an abortion. You chose to do so. That is your PERSONAL responsibility. Remember? Reagan told you to have responsibility for yourselves! Well, then....just do that, O.K!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
2. This morning, Matt Lauer asked Al Sharpton why we shouldn't "let the market decide"
Al Sharpton answered it in some way, I don't really remember. But my wife gave the answer that Sharpton should have given:

"If we left it to the marketplace, we'd still be in the marketplace."

In other words (I imagine her telling Matt Lauer), the market has necver solved primary ethical problems, like racism. The market responds to changing conditions, but on ethical matters, it does not drive them. If African Americans left their life possibilities to the market, they still be, literally on the market, on the auction block. So, I agree with you for the most part. But there has to be an ethics of this. It can't be a market driven operation, pure and simple.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #2
37. If we left it to the marketplace, we'd still be in the marketplace.
Great quote from your wife. Hope more people see it now. Tell her she's an excellent sloganeer.

Rock on, it-getters!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #2
38. The Market Does Indeed Drive Ethical Conditions. It Drives Societal Ethics Towards Materialism
Viewing people and Reality as merely physical objects and as mere physical objects, their worth to the Marketplace resides in their physical attributes only. And that attitude influences the rest of us since it's so pervasive.

Of course the Market is expert at manipulating people by using emotional and psychic cues to drive demand, but ultimately the Marketplace confronts us with a physical object or event.

But you are correct, the Marketplace does not solve ethical problems like racism.

And I admire your post a great deal. Great insight. Thanks!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:25 PM
Response to Original message
3. But can't you be a bigot from Japan or Saudi Arabia and do business in every country? n/t
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 07:25 PM by jody
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. If true ...
does that make it right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. I don't question what is right or wrong. I responded to "You can't be a KKK member and be able
to do business in China or India."

International business is conducted all the time between parties who hate each other, e.g. Iran sells oil to the U.S.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. I do question what is right/wrong ...
Perhaps a KKK member wouldn't be doing business for an American firm internationally because of our own social norms.

Norms that seem to be rapidly falling by the wayside (sadly)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. OK but KKK isn't the only hate group. IMO anyone who rises to CEO of a multinational corporation has
learned to separate business from personal beliefs including hating others for various reasons.

You talked about doing business in China and India and I merely pointed out that doing business had nothing to do with personal feelings between two parties to a business deal.

So far, I fail to see how you refute my assertion.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Even If You Hate Each Other, You Must Suppress Your Hatred In Order To Conduct Business
A KKK member would have to suppress their hatred of all things non-white in order to do business internationally. That KKK member couldn't walk into a meeting with Japenese businessmen yelling, "White Power!", and expect to be taken seriously.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Well of course
I thought that was the point ... the outward expression ... and to me affiliation with a hate group is an outward expression. Sadly, I think the world is still choc'ful'o bigots, but memberships in hate groups are filled by people on the fringes of society (not as in the past when politicians, business people ...proudly joined) because membership is an outward expression.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:31 PM
Response to Original message
6. I have never understood the complaints about PC ...
All I see are people whining about not being to discuss "things" in terms that are disparaging to others.

Its called civility ... something we need more of, not less.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #6
23. Here's Why They Complain
For the biggots, all of their lives their biggotry and ignorance of other people have been reaffirmed by family and friends, and they were never told that what they think about other people, other cultures, etc. is wrong and ignorant.

Now, as adults, they take their biggoted views into a multi-cultural world, and they find themselves not fitting in. They've become pariahs. So, instead of learning a new way of thinking and changing, they blame the "PC" crowd.

Think of it this way, if you've been raised all of your life that farting at the dinner table was okay, then when you fart at the dinner table when you're an adult and you're not with your family, people look at you in horror. Instead of learning not to fart at the dinner table, you blame others for not accepting your farts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #23
34. No that's not it at all
Political correctness is not about bigotry. It's not about hatred. It's about placing individual sensitivities over individual expression.

It's not politically incorrect to say that all black people are lazy. It is RACIST. Period.

It is politically correct for Bill Cosby to suggest inner city black communites need to take a hard look at their leaders and influences.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:31 PM
Response to Original message
7. Bigotry of all kinds, whether racist, sexist or homophobic got us
the most corrupt administration and worst President ever in the history of our country. The GOP played to the prejudices of the electorate like a fine violin to get them to vote for the officials we are now stuck with.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #7
24. Perfect Example of Why It Won't Work In The Modern World
We have a war that no sane person on the planet supports, and we have the most unpopular leader in recent U.S. history.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:32 PM
Response to Original message
9. I guess it's hard work being a racist.
:dem:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:33 PM
Response to Original message
10. kicking
....because I'm in the mood to kick something right now...
Lee
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:33 PM
Response to Original message
11. Your title line says it all.nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:35 PM
Response to Original message
13. Well said. People use the cry of "PC" to try and shut down discussion
so they don't have to defend an indefensible position.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:38 PM
Response to Original message
14. your title line is great
k/r

:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:39 PM
Response to Original message
15. Blame Political Correctness?
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 07:40 PM by The Backlash Cometh
They don't blame it, they generally dismiss it. PC is a way to remain civil, a way not to offend. And most of the time, civility is just what we need. But if we're debating serious issues, it can also be a hinderance to the truth. There's a balance, but I think most of the time, it's a balance that most reasonable people can hash out.

I think it's very clear in what camp name calling falls. It obviously does not promote the debate so it's just meant to be hateful and rude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:42 PM
Response to Original message
17. Ayibobo! What you said! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:44 PM
Response to Original message
18. THANK YOU!
Great post...and I'm stealing what you wrote in the subject line.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 07:55 PM
Response to Original message
19. "Political Correctness" is a term used to attempt to make racism acceptable again...
In fact by using the term in such a disparaging way the right-wing is not only trying to make racism acceptable, they are trying to make it admirable. They tell us that being politically correct is bad, we need to say negative things about minorities or we are being taken in by political correctness.

I try to turn the term around on them though by agreeing with them that they are not politically correct, in fact they are politically wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. No, it's the code for the death of satire and comedy for ultra-sensitives.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. The death of satire and comedy?
I am sorry but I missed the death of humor, when did that happen? Laughter only dies if you allow it to die.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. Please, Spare Me
PC is killing comedy shows like South Park, The Mind of Mencia, Howard Stern, Opie and Anthony, etc., etc. There are tons of hack comics who can only recycle racist jokes to be funny.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #25
43. Yeah, too bad blackface died. I haven't had a good laugh since. (sheesh!)
:eyes:



Just in case anyone missed it, my post is :sarcasm:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #19
33. I've often thought the same thing
but you articulated it in a far better way than I could have. :thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #19
40. Exactly. It's their way of stifling protest against what ought to be a taboo.
Go ahead, tell that obscene/sexist/racist, etc joke at the party--but don't get pissed off at me when I call BS on it.

And don't wonder why I haven't invited you back to my home afterward.

Yes, such a situation really happened with me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:00 AM
Response to Original message
29. Superb post. Thank you.
Altho I don't believe the Constitution grants anyone the right to be a bigot. I just don't see it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #29
35. That you don't see it
Is exactly why the Constitution doesn't disallow it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:45 AM
Response to Original message
30. Boom!
With the exception of the mispelling of the word 'bigot' I'm dead on in agreement with you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:56 AM
Response to Original message
32. Exactly!
I can't tell you how many times I've heard our local sports talk right winger bitching about "political correctness" as if it were some form of oppression. It's 2007 not 1950. America is suppose to have changed for the better. They need to deal with it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:17 AM
Response to Original message
36. This is why these apologies ring so hollow and seem so phony.
It is like the "taking responsibility" toss away lines from the Bush Administration. It means absolutely nothing. It means, oh we're sorry we were caught or called to the carpet, not that we did anything wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:09 AM
Response to Original message
39. YES! Exactly, absolutely, you've nailed it.
When they shout "PC" they want the offended to not register their protest. "Political Correctness" is a RRR W tool.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 10:52 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC