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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 01:35 PM
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Big Dawg's (hopefully) successful mission to N Korea will be a big win...
...for Clinton *AND* Obama.


It will show that Obama is willing to use all of the assets at his disposal to achieve an end.... the supreme delegator.

It will also make Clinton relevant again, and possibly used for other missions to other hot spots - Israel-Palestine, Iran, etc.




..and....


It will drive the right-wing nuttier.

"You can't negotiate with terrorists!" (we just did)
"You can't talk to dictatorial governments without preconditions!" (just did)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 01:39 PM
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1. It seems odd to me that Obama has to "work around" his own SoS...
to get this done. Hopefully it's not an indication of any sort of serious disconnect.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 01:44 PM
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2. By using her HUSBAND? Yeah...ok.....

Like Bill would do this without Hillary's knowledge and/or blessing.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 01:46 PM
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4. It was done with Hillary's blessing.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 01:45 PM
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3. I believe the SOS recently referred to the N. Koreans as "unruly
Edited on Tue Aug-04-09 01:57 PM by monmouth
children" or something along that line...Probably not good territory for her right now. However. President Clinton had good relations with Kim's father and is highly respected in North Korea. This could be a win win as the OP states. I would also state that IMO Hillary was absolutely correct in her description but that doesn't make for a good start on trying to negotiate release of these women.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 01:47 PM
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5. Ah. Didn't realize that piece of it. Seems like an odd thing for the Head Diplomat to say...
but whatever.

Thanks for the info!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 01:57 PM
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7. perhaps it's a "good cop - bad cop" kind of deal
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:09 PM
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10. How do you know Obama has anything at all to do with this
I was under the impression Al Gore asked him for assistance..:shrug: I don't believe this has anything at all to do with the Obama Administration
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:11 PM
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11. Because he's like... The President?
:rofl:
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 10:03 AM
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21. Yes he is the President and yes he had to have given approval but
No one in the Administration was a part of the negotiations. Al Gore and Bill Richardson have been working on this issue for several weeks non-stop. It was Al Gore that asked Clinton to go to North Korea and not Obama. I am sure it had to be cleared with Obama but to say Obama deserves Credit is quite a stretch IMO..He did not stand in the way and for that he deserves Credit.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:13 PM
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12. The State Dept wouldn't let a private citizen (even a former Prez) to go to NK without approval ...
...from the administration.


Just like when Carter went on Clinton's behalf in '94.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:18 PM
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There is no way in hell that Bill went to NK without the 100% expressed permission, whether
on the books or not, from President Obama.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:29 PM
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18. What???
You don't think THE PRESIDENT or his administration knows when his SoS and her husband are negotiating with a nuclear power over a hostage release?

:crazy:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:36 PM
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20. I think some here *really believe* that a Clinton is currently President.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:14 PM
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13. what makes you think he is working around SOS Clinton? envoys are often sent on missions.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:16 PM
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15. Huh? Why'd you put "work around" in quotes.....because it's BS or is there another reason? n/t
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 01:49 PM
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6. Kind of too bad that the traditional media didn't use descretion about this story.
I suppose if it was a Republican sex scandal or warrantless wire-tapping they'd hold off on the story....but exposing this puts the deal at risk. Maybe that's the real objective, though.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 01:59 PM
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8. My thinking is that these women will come home with him tonight or
tomorrow. I honestly think the deal was settled even before WJC arrived, N. Korea just wanted a "see, we're important too and President Clinton coming here proves it" sort of thinking.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:01 PM
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9. Yep. They are leaving tomorrow, almost guaranteed.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:16 PM
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14. After NK agreeing to whatever Bill proposed, other "enemy" countries will feel more pressure to hop
on board and really begin talking. This is such a success on so many levels. Bill may very well become the new negotiator with the problematic countries. Brilliant!!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:18 PM
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16. I like how you think!
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:25 PM
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17. They sent Bill with this message:
Give the journalists to me, or I'll call my wife. Don't make me call my wife. (said in tone of a dad who says "Don't make me pull this car over.") Hang on, I got her on speed dial....all I have to do is press this button.....

They're afeered of Hillary! :scared:

Good. I happen to like an SOS who can kick ass & take names.

dg
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 02:30 PM
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19. Shuster is just giddy with excitement over this. Praising Clinton, the success for Obama, he's
barely able to contain himself!! He and Tamron run a great show. Awesome to see the exuberance.
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