Rahm warns liberal groups to stop ads.

I have not heard them do it.

allow your enemies to fill the airways? How does one spell STUPID, Rahm?

And besides, if you don't deliver decent health care, you lose all our support, you twit.

Isn't he the patron saint of Blue Dogs?

...there's no one to blame except Rahm who spent plenty of liberal capital pushing those DLC candidates on us.

He would have fit right in with Al Capone.

nt

Well is it a request or is it a warning? Big difference. Request is "Please stop before you do damage we can't repair to the party" Warning is "Stop or we'll send Guido and Sal over to your house"

And it must be what they intend.

Seems like the party would be getting along fine if all those Blue Dogs that Rahm recruited to run for office weren't selling us all out for lobbyist $$$

I thought they ran on a campaign of listening to us.

I don't care if us expressing our opinions makes him a one-term wonder.

He promised me during the campaign that I would have the right to buy into the same health care plan that Congress has. That's what I want. Period.

Flame away pie-eyed devotees.

Who the fuck do they think worked their asses off to get Obama elected? It's getting bad when the Administration sides with pseudo dems and repukes.

Dance with who brung you.

WE got him there and we are getting the shaft.

I'm not going to vote for a repuke, but I'm also not going to donate money that I cant afford like I did last year. I'm not going to give time that could be better spent reading a good book.

Piss of the progressives, the gays, the minorities, the young, and flush down the hopes of ever getting this generation to work for you.

they have to govern all the people, and listen to all sides not just the liberal democrats. Which means sometimes the democratic base will have to get their toes stepped on. But it will be interesting to see how much toe stepping people will put up with before becoming vindictive in the next election cycle.

but the repukes are getting their shit together, batshit crazy as it may be. We cant organize shit, but they get together for the lamest ideas.

without the base the Dems are toast

It seems like they spend far too much time running away from them to listen. Well all except when there's a campaign going on.

I wonder if that will ever include liberals in that concept of "all". Or perhaps of "people", judging from the contempt many even in the Democratic party have for their ideological base.

...They know in this system, liberals and progressives have nowhere else to turn. It's like the GOP using the Religious Right and then not completely following through with their campaign rhetoric toward the fundies.

is to crush hope, and reset the public's expectations for change much, much lower. Go Rahm!

So whadda ya' going to do.......

Call Homeland Security, maybe the brown shirts can help out.

His brother is well known to be an advocate of privatizing Medicare. Seems like a conflict of interest.

Not to mention he's the one who put a lot of these useless "Blue Dog"/DLC tools in Congress in the first place. :puke:

I don't OBEY public servants, I TELL them what I want them to do. They're supposed to "obey" US!

There is nobody Obama won't throw under the bus. Nobody.

That being said, using Politico as a source is really scraping bottom, imho. They are nothing but a front group for right-wing propaganda.

press operation is using Politico to get out their message.

Again, the messages the W.H. wants to get out are coming to us through Politico - by design.

Just confirms that they ALL work for the same masters. Fuck the Ruling Class -- ALL of them.

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This isn't about "Democratic members of Congress", it's about Blue Dogs.

There's a difference.

Bite me! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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that Obama is just the front man.

Not nearly as bad as "W" but not what I thought I was getting either.

I am starting to wonder if we will ever wrest power from the corporate masters.

Seems the masters have all the cards - all the power.

Be honest - did you really not know this last year?

1) Organize true grass roots movements. Dean's DFA, which helped give a Illinois State Senator his start, is a good example.

2) Develop non-advertising supported but still free (or cheap) communications networks.

3) Utilize organizations that are already working to wrest power from corporations -- labor unions for a start.

4) Study other successful movements -- Paris 1793 and 1871, for example.

I thought he would be a different kind of politician due to the vast, individual voter driven, grass roots financial support that I felt he was getting.

I am like Bill Maher in response to Rachel Maddow. Rachel said, "He ran as a centrist. He didn't run as me." And Bill said, and I repeat, "Maybe I am guilty of hearing what I wanted to hear, then."

The grass roots financial support part was myth.

and then look for someone else to report.

We don't really pick the candidate. Last year they got whittled down to Clinton and Obama - either one was acceptable to our corporate masters. The other candidates were ignored, marginalized or ridiculed.

Most people don't spend the time on politics we do here they only know what they see on TV.

Anyone who is "in power" is inherently part of the ruling class.

So, the best thing is to keep those in power "in check" and make sure they remember where they came from and who has the power.

If people don't constantly make noise, so to speak, they aren't reminding those in office who's the boss.

This should not be a surprise to anyone who was paying attention.

centrists but they vote with the right-wing republicans. They call themselves Blue Dogs, I call them traitor assholes.

A single payer health plan is centrist, but Pres Obama has already given that up to the righties.

Rahm and his Damn Blue Dogs need to be run out of the party with pitch forks.

Centrist Dems get things done, while the far left whines from the sidelines.

Do you support closing Gitmo? Withdrawing for Iraq and Afganistan? How about repeal of the Patriot Act, the MCA and reestablishing heabus corpus and posse comitatus? Do you favor ending the spying on Americans by the NSA?

I am guessing you think all these are too "left".

Tell us what you stand for freddie? I dare you. Show us how your "centrist" stands differ from the far left.

Do you not believe that President Obama is a centrist?

they're god damned Republicans (right wingers) in Democratic clothing. Bloody useless to change that will actually help us because they're too busy licking the boots of their corporate masters. To hell with them! I'm with you. Where's my pitchfork?

"centrists" are chameleons who put on whatever people want them to put on.
they stand for NOTHING, because they don't have the courage.
no progress or advancement in this country was ever made by a mama-boy sissy "centrist," because centrists don't have the guts to stand up for anything, they just go along to get along.

Rahm Emmanuel and the rest of the blue dog "democrats" are nothing but republicans who won't admit it. They know republicans are not very popular now, so they won't be that at this time. Later, if the repukes get popular again, they'll be "blue dog republicans." Whatever puts money in their bank accounts, no matter who is screwed or how weak and ineffectual it makes them, that is what they will be. "principles"? "ethics"? the "courage of their beliefs"? all foreign concepts to blue-dog cowards, because they have no principles, ethics, or courage. They are corporate tools and couldn't care less about We The People.

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support single payer?

you know it's from Politico.

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They have a news sharing agreement with Reuters, and people quote Reuters here all the time without being put down.

It is not wrong because it is Politico. It is usually wrong because if it is Fox.

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1234090820081215

the republicans might be loud now, but if the dems don't get their shit together, i fear they are going to have people coming at them from both sides!!! i am starting to get real pissed off that instead of doing something they told us they were going to do... they are cow towing to republicans, and telling US to calm down.

maybe he should tell them to pull their heads out of their asses and quit holding up real reform.

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If the ads were "largely ineffectual" you wouldn't be worried about it.

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-Laelth

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He needs to STFU!

Spend the money targeting Republicans.

The Republican boogeyman doesn't work when there's a Democratic majority in both houses and a Democrat in the White House. Time for them to put up or shut up.

It's as simple as that. The Blue Dogs will back us up if we win the battle of public opinion.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

I like the kitchen real warm. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!

After we shut up that whiny Rahm, maybe we can throw a few birthers out in the street.

Rahm to stop ads.

I think Obama would be better without him.

I won't criticize your precious and fragile Blue Dogs, or your program for consolidating even more wealth and power into fewer corporate hands.(DLC)

So, the Blue Dogs are standing between me and Health Care Reform, and you want ME to shut up?
:rofl:
Fuck You and your "Blue Dogs".

Who is sponsoring these ads, and how do I send them some money?

http://pol.moveon.org/blue_dog_ads/

and like the first article it`s full of speculation and an unnamed source. well, maybe there is someone named
"the white house" in the obama press office.

as much as i dislike "snake in the grass" rahm, i dislike politico even more.

Jerk

That's about the weakest condemnation I can possibly think of. Rahm didn't go to the press and tell them, he said something in a meeting and then somebody leaked it to politico. It may have been an authorized leak it may have not but either way it's a weak ass way of condemning the ads.

If the White House really wanted to make a forceful condemnation of the ads it would've been done by the President or at the very least by Gibbs at the podium.

They're throwing a tiny bone to the conservadems who are pissed off about the ads. But if anything it shows that the ads are working and the conservadems aren't happy about them.

I know it's an over-used metaphor but Obama is playing chess here. I will change my opinion on the subject if I see a condemnation with some real muscle from the White House.

He's not the boss of me.

Do what you were elected to do, Obama, and stop sucking corporate tit!

Unless there's a real primary contest in 2012, we're fucked.

And of course that means we're fucked.

Change that will be the final nail in America's coffin.

If you sell your soul, Rahm, you deserve the devil.

nt

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" The deal, struck in the run-up to U.S. President-elect Barack Obama taking office, will bring together about 120 journalists in Washington, D.C. covering politics and business. Reuters is a division of global information company Thomson Reuters Corp (TRI.TO) (TRIL.L), and Politico is a unit of Capital News Co. LLC.

The agreement will offer the two organization's combined coverage to 60 newspapers and 40 broadcasters currently part of an advertising network run by Politico. Other media companies would be able to join."

"Current members of the Politico advertising network include The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Arizona Republic, The Philadelphia Inquirer, The Denver Post, and the Cleveland Plain Dealer."

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1234090820081215

Rahm speaks for the President. He also recruited the very Blue Dogs that are scuttling the healthcare bill while we should have a strong majority.

Who can tell half the time?

There, that's how it's SUPPOSE to be in a representative democratic-republic.




We tell you, you figure out how to get it done. Or we replace you with somebody else.

our interests and side with the corporation bribery against us. Does it really matter most of the time what the letter behind their name is when both sides vote the same way?

You want to reign someone in? Kick ass on those Blue Dogs - get the health care bill passed before you blow this opportunity. Because if (when?) you do - you don't need to worry about the ads targeting a few - you're going to lose so many seats, it'll make 1994 look like a Democratic landslide.

We're going to get the 'change' we voted for one way or the other - the only question is if you're going to help us? Or need to be replaced with those who will

...while adults work on fixes to the crises he goddamn well helped create.

I would suggest that he get aboard the train rather than standing in front of it.

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If Rahm is counting on Blue Dog cooperation because of his efforts to take the pressure off from "the Left", he is not serving the platform his boss won on.

Seriously. You write as if you were a Republican.

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a bill works in the GOP Corporate interests, and if Rahm is this veerrry savvy, Chicago Politician, he knows that.

and that Rahm is not.

nt

walk the walk...

nt

Rahm did it under the auspices of the DCCC and that is why I don't donate to them anymore.

Which was it? There's a big difference.

Obama is the only pol I have ever sent a check and I have voted since 1972. -- Many of his appointments suck and suck most in the areas where I am most experienced and educated. People are below the law and above the law but not much in between in the USA. Our foreign aggression is expanding. Sad facts.

That is one asshat that the Democratic party could do well without.

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Fuck Rahm in the ass with a rusty, HIV-covered railroad spike.

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