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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:21 PM
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How did the world remember the 64th anniversary ...
... of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Mumbai, India

People participate in a peace rally in Mumbai, India, Thursday, Aug.6, 2009 to mark the 64th anniversary of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II. The U.S. bombs fell on Hiroshima on Aug. 6 and Nagasaki on Aug. 9, both in 1945. AP Photo


Santiago, Chile

Activist arrange a sign against the use of nuclear weapons in front of the U.S. embassy in Santiago, Thursday, Aug. 6, 2009. The protest was to mark the 64th anniversary of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II. AP Photo


Budapest, Hungary

Hungarian activists lie on the ground in front of the Hungarian Parliament in Budapest, Hungary, Thursday, Aug. 6, 2009, during a demonstration entitled "Playing dead", organised by the Humanist Party and Greenpeace, in commemoration of the 64th anniversary of the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima, Japan. AP Photo


Asuncion, Paraguay

Activists protest against nuclear weapons by holding a mock bomb in Asuncion, Thursday, Aug. 6, 2009. The protest was to mark the 64th anniversary of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II. AP Photo



Doves fly over the Peace Memorial Park with a view of the gutted A-bomb dome at a ceremony in Hiroshima August 6, 2009, to mark the 64th anniversary of the atomic bombing on the city. Reuters Pictures



Candles and paper lanterns float on the Motoyasu River in front of the Atomic Bomb Dome at the Peace Memorial Park, in memory of the victims of the bomb on the 64th anniversary of the Hiroshima bomb on August 6, 2009 in Hiroshima, Japan. The dropping of the bomb by the U.S. killed an estimated 70,000 people instantly, with many thousands more dying over the following years from the effects of radiation. Three days later another atomic bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, ending World War II. Getty Images
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:26 PM
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1. they should also do something to honor all of the lives that were saved by it's use.
nt
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:31 PM
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2. Why don't you tell them yourself?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 09:15 PM
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9. thanks for the link- i asked them about the musuem...
and inquired as to whether they have any exhibits honoring all of the lives that were saved by using the atomic bomb to avoid an invasion of mainland japan.

my father-in-law would have been in one of the first waves- and there would have been a half-way decent chance that my wife never would have been born had it happened.

so no- i will not grieve the use of the bomb against japan.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 09:22 PM
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10. Yes, they do
They point out the justifications put out by the US as well as other important data from the horrid event.

You may not grieve but too many others do.

http://www.pcf.city.hiroshima.jp/top_e.html

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:24 AM
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17. Do they also grieve for the millions of victims of the Japanese Empire?
I doubt many of the surviving "comfort women" weep for the victims of Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

They should weep for the Korean Slave Laborers and American POWs that died in the blasts.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:33 PM
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3. I wonder if any of them remember why we used them.
You know, that little business of Japan rampaging across Asia. Killing, raping and enslaving whole countries.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:16 PM
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12. I think the older people do remember the justifications we used, yes.
Maybe even some of the younger ones, too.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:20 AM
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16. You're right.
Freeing Asia from Japanese dominion was all the justification we needed.


Oh yeah and the fact they started the war.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:26 AM
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21. And by the looks of the memorials they're celebrating bloodlust.
Oh, wait.

They're not.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 03:24 AM
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22. Yup, they focus on our acts.
And still close their eyes to their own. Hypocrites.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 03:27 AM
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23. Yes. They focused on what happened 64 years ago yesterday.
Yesterday was the anniversary of that act; that's why we're remembering it.

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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:37 PM
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4. I would say celebrating the end of a world war, but I know better.
Does anyone celebrate VJ Day anymore? Probably not.

Sad.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:38 PM
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5. Any pictures from the U.S.?
Thanks for sharing k&R
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:45 PM
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6. Here's one...
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:47 PM
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7. +1 n/t
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:41 PM
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14. That doesn't look like the 64th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima.
That looks like the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Here are some to help you tell the difference:



Ground level photograph of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, taken from approximately 7km NE of ground zero, Photographer: Seizo Yamada


A shadow on the stone steps of the main entrance of Sumitomo Bank, 800 feet from the ground zero, Photographer unknown.



Oh, and here's a little trivia:
* originally, the target for the Hiroshima bombing was the Aioi Bridge, but due to crosswinds it detonated directly over Shima Surgical Clinic almost 800 feet (240 m) awayWikip*dia
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi">Tsutomu Yamaguchi survived both bombings

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:26 AM
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15. +++1
thank you for being more polite than I would be. The attack on Pearl Harbor and the bombing of Hiroshima were different events indeed.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:20 PM
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13. Those pics I found on Daylife.com.
Edited on Thu Aug-06-09 11:23 PM by ColbertWatcher
And they seem to be part of an international campaign organized by the Humanist Party and Greenpeace.

There were a couple from Havana, but I didn't include them because they seemed too much like propaganda.

(EDITED TO ADD) Sorry, I forgot, at the time I posted, I didn't see any from the U.S.

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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:35 AM
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19. Here's a couple of photos from Nanjing (nanking)
http://arts.cuhk.edu.hk/NanjingMassacre/NMWRK.html

The Rape Of Nanking - 300,000 dead.

After finally defeating the Chinese at Shanghai in November, 50,000 Japanese soldiers then marched on toward Nanking. Unlike the troops at Shanghai, Chinese soldiers at Nanking were poorly led and loosely organized. Although they greatly outnumbered the Japanese and had plenty of ammunition, they withered under the ferocity of the Japanese attack, then engaged in a chaotic retreat. After just four days of fighting, Japanese troops smashed into the city on December 13, 1937, with orders issued to "kill all captives."

Their first concern was to eliminate any threat from the 90,000 Chinese soldiers who surrendered. To the Japanese, surrender was an unthinkable act of cowardice and the ultimate violation of the rigid code of military honor drilled into them from childhood onward. Thus they looked upon Chinese POWs with utter contempt, viewing them as less than human, unworthy of life.

The elimination of the Chinese POWs began after they were transported by trucks to remote locations on the outskirts of Nanking. As soon as they were assembled, the savagery began, with young Japanese soldiers encouraged by their superiors to inflict maximum pain and suffering upon individual POWs as a way of toughening themselves up for future battles, and also to eradicate any civilized notions of mercy. Filmed footage and still photographs taken by the Japanese themselves document the brutality. Smiling soldiers can be seen conducting bayonet practice on live prisoners, decapitating them and displaying severed heads as souvenirs, and proudly standing among mutilated corpses. Some of the Chinese POWs were simply mowed down by machine-gun fire while others were tied-up, soaked with gasoline and burned alive.

After the destruction of the POWs, the soldiers turned their attention to the women of Nanking and an outright animalistic hunt ensued. Old women over the age of 70 as well as little girls under the age of 8 were dragged off to be sexually abused. More than 20,000 females (with some estimates as high as 80,000) were gang-raped by Japanese soldiers, then stabbed to death with bayonets or shot so they could never bear witness.





http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:23 AM
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20. I tried to read Iris Chang's book, but I could never finish it.
Brutal stuff.

You're right, though, no matter what the enemy does in war, it doesn't justify more brutality.

That's what the Geneva Conventions and war crimes tribunals were/are supposed to deter.

Just think, one day Iraqi kids will have memorials remembering March 20, 2003.

And, sadly, there will be people denying/justifying the brutality of that, too.

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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:57 PM
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8. Like petals falling from the lovely Sakura tree..
Edited on Thu Aug-06-09 09:06 PM by AsahinaKimi

"ALL BRIGHT IN THE DAWN,
I GLIMPSE RED STREAMS IN THE SUN.
LOOK! THE MOON HAS GONE." -Anjiki Yuki


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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 09:31 PM
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11. What a great haiku/poem to go with that picture!
Thanks for sharing that :toast:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:32 AM
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18. here's another...
if only we did
not attack and start a war
but it seems we did
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:13 AM
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24. K&R. It was an unnecessary act of mass murder.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:37 PM
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25. True. n/t
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:47 PM
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26. I'm the grandson of a Pearl Harbor Survivor.
So all I got to say is this:

Japan embraced western uber-militarism since the 1860s and it destroyed their habitable land, their culture and their economy.

America would do well to learn from Japan's mistakes, if they so choose.
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