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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:02 PM
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Where are the democrats? Where are the progressives? After 8 years....
I thought we were mad as hell and not willing to take the bullshit from the RW anymore. All I am hearing, from our own sources, is that supporters of Health Care Reform are being out numbered 2-1 and 5-1 at Town Halls thrown by our party.

Where is the proverbal "Fire in the belly" that we were all claiming to have during the Bush years? Here's reform, trying to occur, and here we are sitting on our asses again, letting the right take over the narrative.

It's time to get organized. Its time to get involved. Its time to get ANGRY!




Step 1: Commit to attending one of these Town Hall's in your area this month.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/commitaugust
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:04 PM
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1. Passionate yes, angry no. n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:08 PM
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2. A passionate person would be angry at this point
After sitting at idle for eight years in the wilderness and now watching a weakened right wing take over the narrative AGAIN by their violent mentality and their Non-Silent minority tactics, I'm really angry.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:23 PM
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3. And how do you think that anger can help anyone?
Edited on Thu Aug-06-09 11:25 PM by RandomThoughts
My view.

Your anger is a ramification of a presumed effect. You think something should be some way that it is not. By tying your feelings to the effect, you become controlled by the results, not by your choice of actions. If you fight with your values always, then the arc of justice leans your way and you are victorious, but if you fight just for an effect, you can be drawn into other methods that change you because you perceive they will help to achieve that effect.

The battle is against anger and hate, not to achieve some effect, although achieving a good effect can lesson anger and hate, and is why it is fought against so hard.

It is quite possible the lack of health care, and the need for health care exist to try and create anger. Those that do things to hurt people do not do it to hurt, but to spread hate or anger. In that, when trying to do good, you can not accept the means of anger while striving to achieve any ends.

People should fight for the better things, but the worse things are not there just to help a few people, they are there to get many angry. So you actually lose if it gets you angry, but you can win with the passion of resolve and striving for the goal, since those that try and hurt people to get others angry, fail when not attacked back with the worse things like hate and anger.

Stay steady and resolved, focused with intent and strive forward to act the way you want to act, not to become what you fight.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:28 PM
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5. The problem however, is that
its becoming increasingly clear, that for whatever reason Democrats/Progressives/whatever label you give yourself, have no motivation. While anger might not be the healthiest emotion, it is a fine motivator. When we're getting out manned at our own, party sponsored events, then we don't deserve to win this debate, even if the other side is just howling at the moon. To admit that though means that a lot of good people without healthcare are going to be let down by our inaction.

My question is simply, why after 8 years of anger, did we choose this time to stop showing any emotion what so ever?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:46 PM
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6. I try not to give myself labels.
I disagree with your statement of motivation.

I disagree with your premise.

Congress already knows what the people expect, they have known for a long time.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:48 PM
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7. Then we sit on our hands doing nothing.
Sounds like a great idea.






(this is why democrats normally fail and moving the country forward.)
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:00 AM
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9. Where did I say that? People should organize and discuss things.
But there is a dynamic, and because Democrats have control of both houses and executive, progressives expect a good bill.

People don't need a discussion when the other side of the argument is just protecting insurance company profits, what is there to discuss? It is a pretty simple situation. Many people have thoughts on some of the other elements of the bill, but the total grass movement thoughts are expecting it to get done.

People campaigned and rallied to get people in office to change things. They do not need to now go and tell them what that change is, they know what it is.

If they decide not to do it, people will know that too.


That stuff about a co-op, or not protecting pricing to stop a public plan, why stop the plan? Insurance company profits.

It is at the point where they will pick a side, big money or what helps people.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:24 PM
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4. (shrug) They insist on all or nothing, and it looks like they might get their wish.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:52 PM
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8. Welp, who do you think was hit hardest by bushitler policies, certainly not the coddled richie
riches. The rest of us are struggling to find jobs, a roof over our heads and food on the table. Maybe when people see that they aren't even going to be able to do 3 out of 3, they will fight. Until then it appears we are SOL forever under the sole of the rich.
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swaroop Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:20 AM
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10. Americans are docile n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:44 PM
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11. Not the right
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