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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:32 AM
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Breaking: Unemployment rate drops for first time since April 2008
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 07:41 AM by scheming daemons
Down to 9.4% in July after being 9.5% in June.


July job losses were 247,000 for the month... predictions were for about 330,000.



The Stimulus is working.



U.S. employers cut 247,000 jobs in July, far less than expected and the least in any month since last August, according to a government report on Friday that provided the clearest evidence yet that the economy was turning around.

With fewer workers being laid off, the unemployment rate eased to 9.4 percent in July from 9.5 percent the prior month, the Labor Department said, the first time the jobless rate had fallen since April 2008.

The government revised job losses for May and June to show 43,000 fewer jobs lost than previously reported.

Analysts had expected non-farm payrolls to drop 320,000 in July and the unemployment rate to rise to 9.6 percent. The forecast was made earlier this week before other jobs data prompted some economists to lower their estimates for job losses.

Since the start of the recession in December 2007, the economy has shed 6.7 million jobs, the department said.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/32327811

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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:33 AM
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1. Let's hope this starts a trend. n/t
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:36 AM
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3. No posts in this thread.... people must not like good news.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:23 AM
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23. If you have no job, you have no good news.
Nobody's hiring. If you were out looking for any kind of job every day, both online and with cold calls from the Yellow Pages, you'd know what we people out in the cold know.

Your "good news" is just a grass sprout poking through the broken concrete and empty parking lots of America. Take a look out the window and see how "well" the recovery is working.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:26 AM
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34. Bullshit
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 09:30 AM by TZ
People are hiring in certain areas of the country. My company in fact is looking to hire several hundred people this year. And where I live the jobless rate is about 7.3%...significantly lower than the national average.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:54 AM
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36. Try looking before you throw the BS word around, TZ.
You go on monster.com and the other sites. Try to find jobs that aren't super-specialized, or that aren't scams for schools, or enlistment in the armed forces. You try cold-calling people to see if you can even get a freaking interview for a potential job.

"No, we're not hiring now, or anytime in the foreseeable future, but you're free to waste a stamp and envelope to send us a resume that we'll line our trash cans with. Have a good day!"

Of the two hundred firms I called, roughly 15 percent are out of business. Thank you, Wal-Mart and Clear Channel.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:35 AM
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2. OH NOES! Now what will the GOP-Obama-haters say?
It's because of Bush? Or Sarah Palin?

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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:54 AM
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12. Predictably, they are saying
"...if the economy is recovering, it's doing so on its own as it inevitably will."

AND "...since the economy looks like it is starting to recover, and we've only spent 20% of the stimulus money, let's pull the rest back and let the economy right itself like it always does."

That bullshit courtesy of Fred Thompson (R-Dickhead) a few minutes ago on CNN.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:57 AM
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14. Your avatar is particularly fitting for those Thompson quotes.
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 07:57 AM by Atman
Jesus, these people are the definition of stupid.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:39 AM
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4. The Stimulus is working.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:35 AM
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41. I'm sure it's those Bush tax cuts finally kicking in
don't forget Reagan's star wars program. I wish I was joking but I bet the day doesn't end before we hear some RW giving credit to Bush.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:23 PM
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42. Yes, when it's clear it has worked, they'll start praising Bush and Reagan.
It's Bush tax cuts finally kicking in!!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:41 AM
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5. wait for the adjusted numbers.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:42 AM
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6. They won't be much different.....
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:14 AM
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21. Party Pooper. Why can't you just enjoy the increased chocolate rations?
Some people...
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:46 AM
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28. these are the adjusted numbers
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Scarsdale Vibe Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:29 PM
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43. May and June unemployment numbers were revised downwards.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:42 AM
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7. No one can possibly claim that the economy is contracting as fast as it was earlier this year.
In fact, I'm not sure that it is contracting at all right now.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:44 AM
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8. A major Hannity/Rush/Beck talking point is being taken away....

They said the Dow would fall to 5000.

They said unemployment would get to 11%.


For the first time since April 2008... the unemployment number went down, however slightly.


The job losses of 247,000 were the least since August.



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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:45 AM
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9. This is good news.
I heard the admin was bracing for near 10% unemployment.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:50 AM
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10. I guess thats good...
I'll probably feel a whole lot better about it when I can find a job.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:52 AM
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11. This shows that thay day is closer....

We were hemoragging 750,000 jobs per month from November to March.... that it has decreased to 250,000 and is moving in the right direction is a good sign.



Hang in there...
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:12 AM
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20. I try
It has been more then a year now and to be honest it is not very easy. I understand that President Obama took over after that criminal douchebag bush fucked things up for eight years and I don't blame him for the mess we are in... I know exactly who is to blame for that (the already mentioned criminal douchebag). I also believe President Obama is working hard to move things in the right direction again and feel it is working, its just... Well, you can imagine.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:54 AM
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13. What richies ran out of jobs to cut?
Fuck them.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:02 AM
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15. KNR
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:08 AM
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16. Well we just went from something around 6% to about 8% up where I am
So it isn't working everywhere.
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rve300 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:09 AM
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17. Basic math does not work like this
The amount of folks who lost jobs went up by 250,000. Yet the percentage of folks looking for work has dropped? This is not a recovery yet. The number of folks paying taxes and spending money just went down again. It doesn't matter that it was not as bad as predicted, it is still bad.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:38 AM
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24. You didn't factor in new jobs.
You seem to think people can only lose a job not gain a job.

Unemployed + newly lost jobs - newly created jobs = New Unemployment.

Many companies substantially over cut employment. Ford for example is reporting criticially low inventory because it idled so many factories. They say they need to increase production by about 50% to avoid running out of cars.

How will they do that? Hire back some laid off workers which reduces the pool of unemployed.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:48 AM
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29. The number mentioned is new jobless claims
take a breath.
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SeeHopeWin Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:10 AM
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18. God bless President Obama!!! Obanomics is kicking in and the tax hikes next year will help
even more...
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:40 AM
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26. How will tax hikes help? n/t
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SeeHopeWin Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:46 AM
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27. The same way they did under Clinton for eight years and the same they always
did for the 50-60 before Reaganomics and Bush II...etc. Lower taxes have always produced bubbles and overall instability for average workers.

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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:49 AM
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30. debt reduction will stablize the value of the dollar
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:24 AM
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33. Low dollar helps US exports and makes imports more expensive. n/t
Strong dollar policy destroyed production jobs in the US.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:56 AM
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37. weak dollar weakens the economy because of petroleum
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 10:13 AM by mkultra
which is our most consumed and imported resource. Results in higher fuel prices which ripple through the economy causing inflation. You are the first person i have ever heard pronounce the weak dollar as net good.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:21 AM
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38. I am saying it is simplistic to say...
strong dollar = good
weak dollar = bad.

Just as high interest rates help some industries and hurt others.

High inflation is generally bad but high inflation also helps debtors. The debt is fixed and the value of that debt goes down and is easier to pay off because you have more revenue.

A stronger dollar is helpful but a too strong dollar can be crushing.

Ask Toyota or Honda about that. The yen is too strong right now. It is making it difficult for the companies to protect margins. Toyota and Honda have historically been able to command high margins on their products. They still are in dollars but the weak dollar and strong yen means it generates less profit back home.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:29 AM
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40. well, it is simplistic, but still true
As a strong dollar has a net positive effect on the economy. Yes, economics are a balance of several factors, but we need to stabilize the dollar to recover.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:54 PM
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45. Economists generally view the long term devaluation of the dollar as a necessary
component to correcting the trade deficit. In the short run if you are presently running a trade deficit then a devaluation worsens the situation, but in the long run by making imports more expensive and exports cheaper the general view is that it will improve the economy.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:10 AM
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19. Republicans posing as blue dog Democrats are not amused
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 08:12 AM by Kingofalldems
They want the USA to fall into a depression.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:40 AM
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25. Yes they do
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:16 AM
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22. Unemployment is a lagging indicator
My bet is after Q3 2009 is analyzed, this will be the quarter the recession ended.

Prdeicitions of a double dip recession may have been premature.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:54 AM
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31. Correction: the number people people getting unemployment payments has dropped, nothing more.
Using the U3 rate for unemployment is dishonest BS.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:29 AM
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35. No its not.
The numbers combine the fact that the job market is actually growing slightly in places like where *I* live (biotech is still booming here) and that job cuts are SLOWING in other parts of the country.
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Scarsdale Vibe Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:33 PM
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44. Unemployment payments have nothing to do with how unemployment rate is measured.
U6 also dropped if that's your preferred measure for unemployment.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:55 PM
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46. Even if U6 was the most appropriate measure, which it is not, that dropped too.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:13 PM
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48. DOH, I stand corrected!
:)
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:59 AM
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32. This is good news.
Now we need to start focusing on the under-employed. Would love to see a big push for sustainable energy technology and the long term employment it would create.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:26 AM
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39. Good news, but it needs to continue.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:24 PM
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47. The UE edging down this month is not necessarily a positive development.
This occurred because discouraged workers have left the labor force completely, giving a somewhat false impression of an improved employment situation.

The good news is the positive revisions to the June and May payroll data, and the smaller loss today.

Things are beginning to improve, but be weary of touting the slight decrease in the UE rate as positive news.
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