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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:20 AM
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a $750 building permit for a Grape Arbor
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 09:22 AM by FreakinDJ
Sacramento CA – County Government dealing with the Budget Crisis

We’ve all heard the arguments going back and forth in the news media between Arnold and the Dem leadership in how to deal with the budget short fall, but we never envisioned it would end up like this.

County Governments, perhaps the biggest losers in the budget battle, seeking to increase their revenue have begun an aggressive code enforcement campaign on county residents. The result has been a $750 building permit for a Grape Arbor
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:22 AM
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1. the permit to build my house was $5000 on L.I.
2500 sq ft
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:24 AM
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2. The permit probably cost more than the materials. Virginia is dealing
with their budget shortfall by giving out more traffic tickets. Last week I got a ticket for going 35 mph in a 30 mph zone. I'm afraid to check and see what it will cost me.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:29 AM
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3. I got a 63 in a 45.....
Caroline County

$101.00
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:07 AM
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4. That's both a deck and an arbor. Still, $750? Dayum.
People are going to start digging tunnels to expand their living space.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:15 AM
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5. But at least you don't have to pay more taxes!
Thank the Republicans. The state is mandated to provide certain services and keep up its properties. The money to do that doesn't just fall out of the sky and land in the state coffers, like it did for Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling (two captains of industry paid fabulous sums for not knowing how their businesses worked). "We never envisioned it would end up like this." Which begs the question of what the "limited government" fanatics did envision.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:38 AM
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6. I bet the op will get a property tax increase for having a new arbor n/t
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:45 AM
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7. The grape arbor appears to be creating a fence over 6 feet high & a structure at the property line.
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 11:59 AM by Gormy Cuss
In my zoning area those would both require costly special permits because either condition requires input from abutters (notification letters and an opportunity to write a comment letter or ask for a permit hearing.) That's why the charge is higher.

No link to the article but I suspect that what happened there was a retroactive slap to someone who didn't apply for permits. My county slams violators when that happens and someone complains or notices.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:52 AM
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8. Almost looks like a combination grape arbor/pool deck
I bet there is some truth in what you say.

I wouldn't want to be the neighbor on the other side of that monstrosity with my lawn tyring to grow in the shade from it.

Don
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:03 PM
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9. It's pretty obvious that the grape arbor was built to shield the deck.
Positioning it on the fence line suggests to me that it was built not only as a shade structure for the pool but as a privacy screen. I'd bet that one or both neighbors are not happy about it.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:05 PM
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10. Who needs perverts peeking into my pool
What he wants unrestricted access to watch little 11 year old boys playing?

FYI: it is more then 6' on all sides from the property line
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:32 PM
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13. Hard to see that setback from the angle of the photo-- thanks.
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 12:37 PM by Gormy Cuss
Looks like less than two feet. So does it violate the fence ordinance? In my zoning area anything over 6' requires special zoning permits.

As for "perverts peeking into my pool," that's why the homeowner makes the case that a privacy screen outweighs the concerns over a high fence and the zoning department allows an exception. That process does result in higher permit fees as a rule. There's probably also a default requirement for permits here because of the height of the structure in order to check it for structural integrity.


So what was the violation?
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:09 PM
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15. The violation was - Every thing they could find
Was told to drain the pool (was there when I bought the house) tear down the trellis and deck

Deck more then 30" in height needs a permit and the Trellis more then 9' needs a permit

My problem is they have begun to drive through established neighborhoods looking for violations as a source of revenue
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 03:31 PM
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16. It sucks to be caught off guard like that.
I know people who have been cited for unpermitted work done by previous owners -- one place in my nhbd had an illegal detached in-law unit and the new owners had to tear it down because the inspector who came to view their permitted work saw it and noticed that it wasn't recorded on the county map. The new owners were told either to cough up thousands of dollars to fix the code violations or tear it down which would also cost a few thousand.

The inspectors are probably trolling the neighborhoods because there isn't enough new permit work in the pipeline and they're justifying keeping their jobs by finding violations.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:10 PM
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11. In Sunny Calif - lack of sunlight is the least of your lawn's worries
Grape arbor has been there for 3 years

A county code enforcement officer drove through the neighborhood looking to write violations. They said it was a crack down on the neighborhood
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:23 PM
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12. I had an asshole move in next door to me too
He came over one afternoon when I was half a sleep and asked if it was alright if he planted some pine trees on his land 4 feet from my property line. I said to myself sure whats it to me what he does on hos land?

What the asshole neighbor didn't tell me was that they were the kind of pine trees that get about 30 feet around at the bottom when they mature in about 10 years. This caused untold hard feelings between us as I watched my lawn that I had paid thousands of dollars to have sodded begin dying out for lack of sunlight right before my eyes. About a foot more each year.

Those pines all died.

Don
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:37 PM
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14. I think that's exactly right. The OP mentions code enforcement...and where I
live if you build a structure without the necessary permits and get caught, the original permit fee is increased 5-fold as a penalty.
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