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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:18 AM
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Virtual town halls via teleconferences and internet are the way to protect debate on health care.
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 10:21 AM by seafan
Every day that shouting, orchestrated right wing mobs disrupt town halls is also one less day to discuss single payer.


It's the basic *run out the clock* scenario that the right wing mobs have practiced for decades. If they cannot win, they will incite violence.



Hat tip to digby:


I hate to beat a dead horse, but this is the real purpose of these protests. They want Democrats to be scared and cancel their events. They did it in 1994. They did it in 2000. It works.




This is predictable. After all, they are following the 1994 playbook and they did the same thing then. This is from the PBS timeline of the Clinton health care debate:


July 22, 1994 - Trying to win back the kind of political support that brought them to the White House, the administration plans a bus trek across America to generate their own grassroots message to Congress for reform. A kickoff rally in Portland, Oregon, is marred by anti-Clinton protesters. When the first buses reach the highway they find a broken-down bus wreathed in red tape symbolizing government bureaucracy and hitched to a tow truck labeled, "This is Clinton Health Care."

The anti-bus trek protests are the crowning success of the No Name Coalition and especially of the conservative political interest group Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE). By the time the ill-fated bus caravan takes to the highways, CSE operatives, working closely -- and secretly -- with Newt Gingrich's Capitol Hill office and with Republican senators, have mapped out plans to derail the Reform Riders wherever they go.

July 23, 1994 - Following several days of anti-Hillary rhetoric on local talk shows, Hillary Clinton -- at a bus rally in Seattle -- is confronted by hundreds of angry men shouting that the Clintons are going to destroy their way of life, ban guns, extend abortion rights, protect gays, and socialize medicine. When she finishes speaking and tries to leave the rally, her limousine is surrounded by protesters. Each of the four caravan routes becomes an expedition into enemy territory -- with better-armed, better-prepared, better-mobilized anti-Clinton protesters at each stop along the way. Local reform groups and caravan organizers are forced to cancel scheduled stops because of implicit threats of violence.



I'm sure the Democrats all remember this and are prepared for it this time. Right?

If you haven't read the entire PBS timeline on how health care reform was derailed in 1994 recently, do yourself a favor and read it. The legislative side has an eerily familiar feel to it, especially the part where the Democrats in the Senate preen egomaniacally while selling out reform to the insurance industry and the Republicans.

You'll recall that the Republicans' consciously pumped Whitewater in the press and to create a distraction for the public and fuel mass protest among their own base. It's a sign of their impotence that the best they could come up with this time was a fringy clown show like the birthers, but it's certainly done its job among the 58% of Republicans who now aren't sure if Obama is actually an illegal alien. This stuff is evergreen.




There are attempts now to organize counterinsurgencies at these town hall meetings. This is understandable; however, it will not recapture the valuable time that will inevitably be lost for the few weeks that remain in August to have substantive discussion. The right wingers' ONLY mission is to shut down all town halls across the country for the remainder of August. They have received their schedules, their assault routes, their shouting points. They have been programmed for one mission only, and that is to grind any discussion of health care for everyone to a screaming end.


We cannot expect to have any meaningful dialog about health care in the traditional town hall venue.


We must implement the skills that the Obama campaign perfected so well, to organize virtual town halls with our members of Congress by teleconferencing and by internet. Dates, times and instructions for constituents should be widely publicized, and announced by President Obama directly from the White House in a televised news conference.


We have no time to lose. Today is August 7. The screaming right wing hate mobs have 24 more days to steal from our health care discussion.


It's time we change our tactics.




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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:24 AM
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1. We still need small meet and greets
I know a number of folks without computers ......I don't know maybe do like they do at the local pool here....you have to have a utility bill or some id to prove you from the area to get in for free...have pre picked bunch of folks to put in the seats at the front ....and ya use net meets and conference calls....use anything and every thing....but you do still need at least small meet ups in the real. IMHO
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Union Jack Hammer Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:28 AM
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2. We need to keep em in line
Some SEIU guys and myself will be traveling to most of the townhall meetings in Virginia to break up the right wing mobs.
Those righties need to be kept away from the town halls altogether!!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:36 AM
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6. Welcome to DU and have at 'em, Union Jack Hammer.
This month is CRITICAL for the health care discussion.


The time is at hand to harness every tool at our disposal in this fight.


First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mohandas Gandhi


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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:28 AM
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3. They want an excuse not to have town halls and here it is! Convenient. Hide from the people.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:30 AM
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4. those will be just as vulnerable to disruption
and you will not be able to at least identify any of your neighbors who have signed up with the teabag SA.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:35 AM
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5. Won't work - it has a fundamental flaw
What you are really talking about doing if filtering out the noise - which is to say you will censer the discussion to remove those elements which you consider undesirable. Once you have set that precedence it will only be a short while before its abused and you filter out contrary opinion. I know you will optomistically say that won't happen, but it indeed will.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:49 AM
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7. Constituents would submit questions ahead of time; the congress member answers in conference.
Actually, what's going on at these town halls is censoring at its worst.


Most people generally have similar questions about health care and most of them can be addressed via a virtual conference. In this way, no shouters will drown out the flow of information for everyone else. And the time left to get information to people is dwindling fast... just over 3 weeks.


Right now, rational discussion is impossible at traditional town halls. We can't even be heard.


We need to change our tactics.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:22 AM
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8. BREAKING: Rep. Kathy Castor (Tampa): Upcoming town hall meeting will be by phone
In LBN, thanks to DU'er sabra.


August 7, 2009


TAMPA - As the national debate over health care reform becomes incandescent, members of Congress may be backing off from holding town hall discussions on the issue after several, including one in Tampa on Thursday, have dissolved into mayhem.

U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor of Tampa plans a telephone town hall meeting Aug. 13 on the issue, and several other Florida Congress members will do the same.

.....




NOW WE'RE TALKING.

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:15 PM
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9. BREAKING: NC Representatives to hold meetings by teleconference.
Reps. Heath Shuler and Larry Kissell, also North Carolina Democrats, are holding meetings on health care reform by teleconference, the Raleigh News & Observer reports.

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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:32 PM
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10. No, this has gone far beyond the discussion of healthcare.
Healthcare is secondary now. We are not getting universal single payer so let it go. The issue now is preserving the process of democracy. When the threats from right-wing thugs force the postponement or cancellation of a town hall meeting, or force it to the web or the telephone, the debate is moot.

At that point they have taken away my right for my representative come to my district so I can meet with them personally.

They may get away with stifling the debate on a particular issue--in this case healthcare--but they must not be allowed to stifle the democratic process.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:13 PM
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11. Never going to "give up" on single payer. It's a human rights issue and a moral issue.
There are many, many people pushing for single payer. Doctors; nurses; increasing numbers in Congress;
members of the Senate such as Bernie Sanders, who is fighting gallantly for it; people like Ed Schultz and Lawrence O'Donnell, who talk about this every night on television; regular citizens who brave the shouters.


All of these *plans* roiling Congress right now keep health insurance companies IN THE EQUATION.


With the noisy fragmentation of plans/co-ops/triggers/rules for drug price negotiations/backroom deals, the health insurance companies will continue to rob the populace of their health, their money and their lives... UNLESS WE STOP THEM BY REMOVING INSURANCE COMPANIES FROM OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM and, thereby, from their obscene profits at the people's expense.

Single payer (Medicare for all) will do that.




I'm sorry you are discouraged. This country is undergoing tremendous social change right now.


But remember, anything that is worth having is worth fighting for.




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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:26 PM
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12. Thats my whole point: Single payer or nothing
But right now, we have allowed the blue dogs to water it down, the "disruptors" to stifle the debate and reduce the debate to a bar room brawl. At this point I think we need to get our democratic process back together and then we can get back to advocating single payer once these right wing fuckwads are out of the way.

There is no point in going through all this just to get back to the same ol' same ol'.
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