Cops tazer old man for sitting in the wrong seat ...

at a baseball game...sheesh!

http://www.doomdaily.com/2009/cops-taser-old-man-for-sitting-in-wrong-seat-at-baseball-game/

Effing jerks.

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One wonders just how the members of the "unreccers" communicate to coordinate their "attacks". lol

The Elephant Walks at Midnight.

If you're a real member of the unreccers club, you'll know what that means. ;)

*wink*

you know, tap tap tap to the skull?

Imagine the trauma. Imagine the therapy bill.

Once it is clear that sweet reason will not persuade them to go gracefully?

I don't think that cops should be forced to physically wrestle with a 62 year old, 280 pound, 6' 2" male in a stadium with a pitched slope, seats, steps, etc.

There was no actual evidence other than from the police, that the approximately 60s between approach and assault included any actual 'wrestling' or other violence on the part of the victim.

I'm tired of the fucking excuses for these PIGS. I'm sick of it. We're ALL sick of it. They taser children, pregnant women, injured people, the elderly, etc., etc., etc.

Enough is enough. Stop making excuses for these PIGS, these TORTURERS.

etc.

That's the line I imagine when I read some of those who always find a rationale to explain away every act of excessive force by police.

...that he was drunk, loud and bothering other people and then resisted the cops and generally being an asshole.

I saw the tape as well. Sometimes you just walk yourself into a shitstorm. If you do not act like an asshole - you will not get treated like an asshole (in many situations - I recognize that many times you can do everything right and still get fucked by the police).

Tell that to Skip Gates.

Before he acted like one.

"Ballpark ushers ejected 62-year-old Thomas Bruso for a long list of violations, like bringing his own alcohol into the park, being belligerent, and using profanity. When he refused to leave his seat, three Oakland police officers were called in.

"You can see here that the individual is really agitated. He's not picking up his belongings that are here on this seat, he's not getting out of this seat. He's not complying with the officer's orders," said Ofc. Jeff Thomason when viewing the video."

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6952731


Nice misleading headline.

Look, I don't approve of the man's conduct, but the response of the police seems disproportionate.

It sure beats clubbing him into submission...and he wasn't leaving any other way.

What the fuck is wrong with these cop haters?

A Taser is a tool used to facilitate restraint. It may use electric impulses to so so, but it's hardly "electrocution" as most people would think of it.

Ever taken a hit from a Taser? I have, and it's really not as bad as some here would have you believe.

How dare they interfere with a police officer sneaking up behind an old man and shocking him for not kissing their asses?

I'm in Houston, how about you?

It's the new law enforcement motto. Not only is it very effective, but it's fun.

The problem is that all the training in law enforcement is about keeping the precious officer safe. God forbid he/she should have to get into a real scuffle. The other problem is most of the cops today are big sissy pants pansies.

Gee, I wonder how many people I offended this time. Sorry in advance to all of the sissy pants pansies.

You obviously have been a police officer, or in the military. Otherwise you would look like a total ass, too big of a sissy to even try.

that you go down to your local police precinct and tell them that.
Or maybe you could stand up at a town meeting and express your complex and nuanced thoughts on the matter.

i would say for good reason they might be ,,, well lets just say circumspect


A layman might perceive it as being chicken, but others who know, will see it as being prudent

It's the brave but stupid cop that believes he can heal the world, it's the smart one who realizes it's just a job. The difference between a gang member and the police officer is how much the government will spend on the later one to keep him on the job.


Going to the police station to confront the officers about their perceived manhood doesn't sound like it would accomplish much. Though thinking of them as sissies and acting on that notion probably is not a very good idea either.

Of the woman at the Badgers game who was tasered, and the fact that the police were clearly lying in their report. They claimed she was sitting in the aisle - however someone filmed the incident on their cell phone showing that was a bald faced lie.

I don't know how anyone can defend cops lying in their reports to cover their asses. I hope those particular cops lost their jobs. Most people would for lying.

The use of tasers should be banned. They are clearly being used in a very creepy way.

I'm torn about the use of tasers in these situations. My daughters love to go to football games with their old man. And I love to take them. But the number of people who are just absolutely marinated in alcohol screaming profanities are really becoming prevalent. It is extremely common to hear MFer this and C-sucking that when a call goes the "wrong" way.

I usually tap them on the shoulder and say "Hey man, c'mon. I've got little girls here. You mind dialing it down a little?" Works about 75% of the time. Another 25% want to argue and/or fight about it. Heck, I took my father-in-law to a college FB game last fall. The guy can barely walk. As I was helping him up out of his seat so I could escort him to the bathroom, he stumbled onto the back of the guy in front of us. Despite my apologies, the guy who got fallen upon, although perfectly fine, was certain he had been "disrespected". I told this clown if both of us wanted to go to jail we could have a go, but that I'd rather not, and why didn't just he chill out. Luckily he did. I've been to jail and it's not much fun.

Ohio State and Michigan games are becoming known for spectators urinating in ziploc bags and throwing them at the opposing fans. LSU/MS State games usually end up with someone being bloodied by a cowbell. Refs in all sports get hit with bottles and batteries all the time. It's way out of hand. I don't know what the solution is, but I'm not ready to condemn these policemen(?, maybe security) until I see what the guy did preceding the call to security.

edit for typo

What's there not to like about a ballgame? :wtf:

how pissed (no pun intended) you would be if someone splashed a bag of urine on you? Talk about a riot waiting to happen. Kirk Herbstreit of ESPN, who was an Ohio State quarterback, talked about this disgusting phenomenon becoming more and more frequent at those games.

(someone else's no less) when all you wanted to do is cheer on the team. But even though I understand the horror of it all, I don't think police should taser people as a way to control them. To my mind its just the other side of the same coin which is the resorting to violence at the drop of a hat. Look what happened in Vancouver when an agitiated Polish visitor got killed by RCMP going beserk with tasers.

Its seems to me that police are just too trigger happy with tasers. If the cop couldn't control the rowdy 60 yr old at the ballpark he should have called for back and arrested the jerk. Furthermore ball parks should beef up security if rowdyism is on the rise. No one should have to endure violent boors at public events.

And yeah, rowdyism is on the rise at sporting events. A lot has changed in the 30+ years I've been attending sporting events. I always try to score a ticket near the season ticket holders if I can, since they tend to know each other and are a bit older and calmer. The other areas can be war zones sometimes.

protection. The picture you paint certainly puts an ominous spin on the line "I don't care if I ever come back" from that classic song, Take Me Out to the Ballgame! :)

The man was NOT "tased for sitting in the wrong seat".

He was tased because he was, according to the article, drunk and belligerent.

Not that I'm blaming you for attempting to mislead people, because even the article sports a totally misleading title, so the title of your OP is understandable.


If the man, regardless of his age, had possessed a weapon of some kind that could, or did, injure others, the cops would have been heroes. Until he's under control, they don't know if he has weapons or what kind they might be.

Oh, and being 62 doesn't automatically make someone a 90 lb. weakling.

Are people practicing ageism now?

Just about every time I show up late for a baseball game, there's someone sitting in my seat. If I don't show up, I could care less if someone from a cheaper seat sits in it and the stadium owners really don't give a shit either. However, when I show up and say hit the road, they had better grab their hat and vacate the seat in short order. Most people do. However, sometimes you get some drunk sweaty bastard who wants to give you lip about it, as if he has some God given right to sit in the seat you paid for and spill his cheap beer and peanuts all over the place. If he was asked nicely to move and I had to go tell the cops to get him to move, I would applaud them for tazing his dumb ass after a minute. The only down side I can see is if he pissed or shit himself while he was still in the seat.

they are incredibly strong when they have "behaviors". she was trained to first diffuse the situation with conversation or distraction. if that does`t work then with or with out help subdue the person by using her arms and hands. she is trained to get out of death holds, other holds that maybe applied to her, and deflect knifes and other life threating objects.

the cops are using tazers because they are to lazy to handle a situation that my wife could and has faced in her daily work. another facility here has the worse of the worse and use the same techniques but they always have two people when dealing with their clients.

and yes...some of them can be incredibly strong.

I was bitten, scratched, and even had a little tiny young woman pick up and throw a vacuum cleaner at me.


But in this case at the park, it's not as controlled a situation as it is in a residential setting where the clients can't hide a gun. Not, at least, at the places I worked.

And I never had to deal with a violent client who threatened to "off" himself or take hostages...something that is always a very real possibility when one is dealing with someone who is big and strong and drunk.

I personally found it way easier to deal with the mentally handicapped than with drunks.

enough of an incentive to get rowdies to comply. He said that almost all such situations can be diffused without violence.

Reminds me of the guy I know who just got back from the military, huge and strong. I'm small and not tough, and he convinced me that he could break any hold I tried on him. So I stand behind him in a choke hold, and he tried to break it by flipping me over his shoulder. I kneed him in the balls and easily choked him out cold.

I brought this up because it doesn't matter what you think you know when a little guy hits below the belt, you are done.

Also your wifes situation is absolutely nothing like what the police face.

article on this incident.

One of the other articles is about how "Union thugs" are intimidating the poor, patriotic tea-baggers at town hall meetings.:puke: :eyes:

But I suppose misleading headlines is business as usual at conspiracy theory websites.

"the cops attempted to arrest the man for barely a minute before resorting to using the taser" once the perp is under arrest,, he is going.. there is NO time limit... There is no clock on the use of force ladder.. and believe it or not,, the Tazer is below chemical, far below stick.
KUDO's to the officers for getting this gentleman out of the area as fast as possable.

I saw a video of a lady that got tasered sitting in her car because she dared to talk back to the cop. Cops are getting way to many jollies from tasering everyone.

Used in this manner or when they are fired at range?

other than the one you paid for, even if someone else is sitting in your seat? Is there A WARNING that you will be tazed by stadium police if you do?

Let's get law written in the books first before infantile police start tazing anyone - old, young, drinking, or wearing chartreuse.

This is EXCESS PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

I am sad and afraid for this country. It all became worse for us under the Patriot Act.

If my child became a policeperson and started tazing for absurd reasons I would try to educate him.

I am afraid for the people of this country.

Next - undercover cops.

Read the entire article - there is another example of stupidity.

Not
"...tazed by stadium police..." Wrong. These were the local police.
"...against the law to sit in any seat..." The man was being arrested after being drunk and disorderly and failing to leave the stadium when asked to. That is a belligerent trespass. This had NOTHING to do with being in the wrong seat.
"...police start tazing anyone - old, young..." This was not a frail old man, it was a large man in a dangerous situation, don't try to make it sound like they tazerd some guy with a walker.

I am not agreeing with the police action in this case. I don't have enough information yet for a fully informed opinion. But if you are going to criticize them at least try to criticize them using actual facts rather than shit you or a biased source made up.

... from the article -

“This individual is not a small person,” said Ofc. Jeff Thomason. “He is 6-foot-1, 280 pounds, so getting in a fight with an individual like this is not in the officer’s best interest.”

This might be a clue as the the training these police are getting.

That is followed by this:

"However, as the video shows, the cops attempted to arrest the man for barely a minute before resorting to using the taser. The man was resisting arrest but he was not in a “fight” with the cops as Thomason implies."

Clues to the inside about what they are being taught as well as how they are not applying the training.

THEN, this is followed by another incident =

"Police then forced Hiebing face down on the ground and tased her on the back of the leg, confining her to a wheelchair because she was unable to walk out of the stadium."

54 years old female (aged perfectly to be a mother of a policeperson).
someone had taken her seat.




However, this is from the other example contained in this link:

I have no respect for police anymore. You can't search the news daily without there being a story on some rogue cop. If they can't control their anger, they should stay the f=ck out of the police force. Today someone sent me a video of this police bytch who body slammed an old woman. They need to prosecute these sham cops.

Or his late dad, who could still walk on his hands at the same age, and was climbing on the roof of his and Mom's mobile home at the age of 80.

Or a friend of ours who still golfs three times a week at the age of 80.


old indeed...

:rofl:

(irony enabled)

if we are going to start tazing for bad or offensive language, then we'll need a taser the size of caterpillar excavator to tase Limpballs and Beck and Coulter.

n/t

if the scaredy-waredy poweesemen felt threatened, I don't know why.

and don't think Im not noticing you changed your objection from language around children to fighting with policemen.

This isn't that complicated to understand.

If he didn't use profanities, he wouldn't have been asked to leave. If he then had just left, he probably would not have been arrested. If he then did not resist arrest, he would not have been tazed.

just IMHO.

if its the right thing to do to people being obnoxious, then there ya go.

Before they kill someone with them. Oh, wait, they already have!

out of there and transport him in the middle of the night to some black site in western Nebraska.

Maybe it will teach the rest of the country to sit in the right seat.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_13010544?source=most_viewed

"Coliseum security officers at first tried to eject the 6 foot 1, 280-pound Bruso from the A's-Texas Rangers game after several complaints from fans sitting near him that he was "screaming, yelling profanities and being very belligerent and acting out in front of children," Thomason said.

"There was no indication he was intoxicated, but he had brought alcohol into the Coliseum illegally," Thomason said.

When he refused to leave, Coliseum security asked Oakland police officers working the game to eject him. Three officers verbally tried several times to get Bruso to leave, but he refused."

But, the police are wrong the police are always wrong no matter what the police are wrong!