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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:20 PM
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Do You Believe Randy Arthur?
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 02:37 PM by Stephanie

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2009/08/tampa-town-hall-on-health-care-reform-turns-to-shouts-shoving/">Castor heartened by reaction to town hall tumult

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… There were at least two scuffles between protestors trying to enter and organizers manning the doors. One of those involved in a scuffle, Randy Arthur, of Oldsmar said he was injured by those manning the doors and said he would file a police report.

He and his wife, Kathy, were outside the meeting room when organizers tried to close the doors. Randy Arthur and others tried to stop them “and he didn’t give up,” Kathy Arthur said.

Randy Arthur, who owns an air conditioning service company, later talked to police officers, his knit shirt ripped and a few scratches visible on his chest. “They slammed him into the wall,” Kathy Arthur said.







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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:22 PM
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1. I also had questions
Weren't there cameras there? Roll the film and let's see what happened.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:29 PM
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The location of the scratches and the way his shirt is ripped
Looks like he could have done it to himself. I looked for video, there must be some but I haven't seen it yet.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:24 PM
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2. That guy looks like it has been his lifelong fantasy to have someone rip his shirt open
and scratch his chest.
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:38 PM
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6. Thats what the picture looks like to me too
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:29 PM
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3. I am confused. Is he a teabagger.
one story I saw someplace hinted (note hinted) he was for reform.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:32 PM
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4. There's more to the story...
...There were at least two scuffles between protestors trying to enter and organizers manning the doors. One of those involved in a scuffle, Randy Arthur, of Oldsmar said he was injured by those manning the doors and said he would file a police report.

He and his wife, Kathy, were outside the meeting room when organizers tried to close the doors. Randy Arthur and others tried to stop them “and he didn’t give up,” Kathy Arthur said.

Randy Arthur, who owns an air conditioning service company, later talked to police officers, his knit shirt ripped and a few scratches visible on his chest. “They slammed him into the wall,” Kathy Arthur said...


http://www.postonpolitics.com/2009/08/tampa-town-hall-on-health-care-reform-turns-to-shouts-shoving/

Sounds to me like this guy tried to physically force his way into a event that was already over capacity and that his physical force was met with physical force.

If anything, this event highlights the need for police officers to be managing these crowds, rather the ordinary citizens and groups organizing the events.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:36 PM
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5. Yeah, I just found that
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 02:40 PM by Stephanie
Newsbusters is complaining that that graf was edited out. Maybe I'll switch mine for yours. More info.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-sargent/2009/08/07/tampa-paper-tampers-town-hall-story
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:40 PM
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7. It's easy to spot the phony.
"Here, let me open my shirt waaaaaay up and show you my terrible, terrible scratch - er, *wound*"

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:44 PM
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8. That's what I'm thinking
I'd like to see the video
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:45 PM
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9. One of the videos linked to from here showed that man being throttled by a large man
In a flowered shirt.

Here is a different video, but you can see the man with the torn shirt trying to hold the doors open - he has a conversation with a police officer there at the doors after they are closed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGBi722T6iA&feature=related

Here is the video I saw yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX4F_cb9AXk

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6240103
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:49 PM
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11. thanks
I can't watch video on this machine but will later tonight.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 03:30 PM
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12. I watched both videos
The guy is in the corner and it is unclear where exactly. He may have been behind the door or in front of the door. Either way, it looks like he was trying to prevent the door from being closed. The police and others had the right to close that door to allow the meeting to go on. Not everyone could fit -- fire codes limit the number of people.
He should be glad that he wasn't arrested.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 03:42 PM
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13. I think that is why no assault charge was filed even though a police officer was right there
So is he now claiming he was assaulted, even though he had the chance at the time?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:48 PM
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10. Putin is that you?
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:28 PM
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14. Bwahaha, good one. -nt
:rofl:
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:33 PM
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15. Nice man boobs!
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