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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:33 PM
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We are going to have one of these Town Hall meetings next week.
I am in a position to have some influence on what goes on and how it goes on. Here are my thoughts, please feel free to criticize or add suggestions.

A low key police presence is necessary. Not storm troopers, just a presence.

Name tags...people should identify themselves. If they are going to be assholes, we all should know who they are.

This meeting is being run by one of our Senators, so I can't control that but, if I did, I would suggest that the format be laid out right at the start. One person speaks at a time and identifies themselves and where they are from. No shouting, no interrupting, no demonstrations. If that happens, the meeting is over, or, even better, everyone goes silent and stays silent until there is silence and order.

I think we can wait these folks out.

One more thing: if someone says that the health care bills call for the death of elderly people or other outrageous claims, I would ask them to cite the specific provision in the bill that says that...you would be amazed at how quickly some of these ignorant puppets fade when they are asked to back up what they say with facts.

But the real tactic is to fall silent when someone starts yelling...fall silent and stay silent until they look around, get embarassed and stop.

It works. It really does. This movement will fold like a cheap suit if we keep our composure, be patient and keep calling them out for the facts.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:36 PM
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1. Excellent Idea!
If the crowd just goes silent, how long do you think one of these pinheads can speak? @ sentences... Do NOT shout at them, let them have the floor. They'll shut up very quickly...
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:42 PM
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5. I have used that tactic for years. Being a female lawyer at a time
there were very few female lawyers in my specialty, I would run up against people at meeting who just constantly interrupted me. Finally I arrived at a very effective tactic: I would fall silent...the asshole would rant away and then realize that I wasn't responding. Inevitable they would stop and be confused and I would remain silent for an uncomfortable length of time...all eyes would be on me and then I would say "are you finished interrupting?" Always worked like a charm.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:52 PM
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14. Ha ha.
It is a strategy that worked for this male lawyer also.

Except I used it when the opposing side wasn't responding to the point I made. Just rambling off on their own talking points.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:52 PM
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16. If they're in a loud group
I might suggest moving away from them and isolating them. Don't do anything, just back away until they're isolated and watch them. Silently.

If they try to move toward you, back away.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:39 PM
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2. Have you seen the Daily Kos article?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/4/761608/-Tea-Baggers-FAIL-to-disrupt-Health-Care-meeting,-lessons-shared.

I like your tactics, too. May I copy them to our local Obama for America group? I'm sending them suggestions since I cannot be otherwise active.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:46 PM
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8. See my response to a post above. You certainly can send my
suggestions to your group. Bottom line is :go silent when people disrup and stay silent until they stop AND insist on the facts. I think they teach 2nd grade teachers this tactic...oh, also keep your voice low...people will become quieter because they want to hear you.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:01 PM
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24. Thanks! It will go out with my next batch of stuff to them
They are a little concerned - too many of them think of DU as totally left wing fringe people. But I've told them this is a good resource of information. And now about all I can do it use my time to check the internet, so I might as well use it to send them good info.
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abelenkpe2 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:41 PM
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3. Cameras
might help dissuade chaos as well. I like the idea of name tags and presenting the rules or format first. It might be helpful to have someone passing out a paper with those same rules to people as they enter the door. Please report back and let everyone know how it goes. Good luck!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:41 PM
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4. Try to control the mikes...
Have someone circulate the mike, always keeping it in their hands, rather than having standing mikes that people can take over. Turn the mikes off when it's the Senator's turn to speak. There's no need to amplify the disruptors.

Also, ask that everyone identify who they are and where they're from before asking a question. No compliance, the mike goes away. No specific question, the mike goes away.

Set clear ground rules before the meeting begins that this will be an exercise in civil discourse and ask for the police's help in removing those who would disrupt.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:42 PM
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6. Good deal.
Personally, I'd like to make one of the turfers who believes that old people will be put to death admit--out loud--that it doesn't and apologize for being stupid.

But, hey, that's me.

Otherwise, kick and rec; I look forward to the follow-up report!

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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:43 PM
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7. No you actually want the storm troopers there with tasers and handcuffs and batons
to drag these idiots out in cuffs after an attitude adjustment and a bite on the knee from rin tin tin.

You need metal detectors and a series of check points from the outside to the inside to weed out these idiots check them for weapons and take their signs away and make them understand that if they disrupt they go to jail.

Ever been to a Presidential or Presidential candidate appearance and seen how the Secret Service runs the show? I worked the Kerry Edwards event in Orlando in 2004 as staff and we kept the flip floppers (show up with shower shoes and throw them) out on the street and stopped them from disrupting the event.

Doug D.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:48 PM
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9. I don't think we're there yet...
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:52 PM
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15. no actually we are there already..
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:49 PM
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10. If you have Mic's, don't let anyone hold it but the vollunteer. Don't set a single
mic up in the room and have people wade to it. Have vol. move around the room to get to people. Have the person taking questions do like Obama and go boy/ girl/ boy/ girl and pick randomly.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:50 PM
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11. Here's some suggestions from Mother Jones:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6244066&mesg_id=6244066

snip//

I'd propose the following for members of congress speaking at town hall events: (1) Announce beforehand that there have been organized efforts to disrupt constituent meetings and it might happen here too, (2) ask everyone to please stay calm even in the face of provocation, (3) have your own cameras there to record the lunatics, and (4) rely on the fact that organized screaming doesn't wear well with the American public. And then turn up the volume on your sound system.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:52 PM
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13. Perfect! We can deal with this. We are smarter and we are on the good side of this debate.
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:51 PM
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12. Invite the local press.
Give these idiots as much a chance as possible to do something stupid in front of cameras.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:54 PM
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18. Great idea. Cast the light...cockroaches tend to scurry away.
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Cybertronian Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:53 PM
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17. sounds like a good plan.
yeah, there should be a police presence. these thugs are just dangerous, now what with their threats of bringing firearms at the townhall meetings.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:57 PM
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21. Here you are again! I don't think of these 60+ people as "thugs", I
think they are misguided and misdirected. For my Towm meeting, I'm thinking of suggesting that the cops hang out in my office which is a few steps away from the meeting. They just need to be available not looming.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:55 PM
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19. Whare are you, Raven? I second your suggestions.
I'd give people all night if they want a respectful, intelligent discussion with a basic set of rules and fact-based dialogue, and no engagement whatsoever if they want to act like fools.

Good luck with your Town Hall. Keep us posted!
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:58 PM
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22. I'm in New England...birthplace of the Town Meeting before it got hyjacked.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:35 PM
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34. Where in NH is the town hall meeting?
My aunt and uncle are in Keene.
They're in the small group of people who would go and protest the war every Sunday.

If the meeting's within a two-hour drive, I know they'll go.
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Cybertronian Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:56 PM
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20. and i agree with the previous poster. bring cameras and record everything these thugs do.
good plan.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:00 PM
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23. I really think we can overcome this if we keep our heads and assume
a respectful attitude. I could be very wrong but I hope not.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:03 PM
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25. Put someone in the parking lot with a camera to document any bussing in of crowds.
Limit the event to citizens of the district/state. Make them show id with addresses.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:04 PM
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26. Lay out the rules at the start, yes.
The meeting is intended to be a respectful exchange of ideas.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:06 PM
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27. When they start yelling, fall silent AND STARE AT THEM until they stop.
And then keep staring at them for several more seconds.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:07 PM
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28. Has always worked for me!
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:10 PM
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29. Need to make people differentiate between a protest event and a meeting. So do this.
No signs allowed in the interior of the building. All signs remain outside and post someone there to assure that they are left alone.

Females enter the room/building first and leave first.

No children allowed in the meeting.

No weapons. (Goes without saying but make it clear)

Use of profanity, threats or any other behavior that poses a risk to others or promotes a volatile environment will not be tolerated. Either escort the party out or provide an area where they may continue to view the meeting via televised media. Once they are out, they may not return to the meeting.

No chanting. Belongs at a protest, not a meeting.

Cover your room. Have adults with specified ID designated to assist participants

Parking away from the building only. Block off the area in the front and back of the building.

Keep it short. An hour. End. Any more than that and people will begin to protest.

And the most important thing: Have an agenda. Use media to make your/others points. Establish a lottery. Give everyone a number and fishbowl them out for questions. Make it transparent.

Good luck. Post the "rules" in the local paper prior to the meeting and outside the meeting area.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:20 PM
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30. Thanks! You have obviously had some experience with this, but
why the women entering first and leaving first?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:30 PM
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32. If you break up the genders there is less possibility for violence. Also,
women tend to sit in small groups or in two's. It will break up some of the "clumping" seating choices. When they leave, and they usually do in an orderly fashion, the guys will generally follow. You may also move the elderly to the front of the seating area. Another trick of showing consideration while also keeping them, hopefully, in a safer area.

If someone wants to fight, they will do so. But I have read through many of the tips in this thread and there are some good ones.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:22 PM
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31. this is how Gabrielle Giffords handled one meeting.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:34 PM
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33. I had an English teacher who did that.
We'd be chattering at the start of class, and she would stand behind her lectern silently smiling. She never raised her voice, and it took just seconds for us to realize she was ready to begin. She was a great teacher.
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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:40 PM
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35. If you control and script this too much you run the risk of being likened to something
out of the Stalinist era. Be careful. The Repukes will edit the hell out of whatever they tape.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:52 PM
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36. Sometimes the easiest answers are the simple ones. Recommend.
:thumbsup:
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