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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:12 PM
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CNBC: Unemployment Benefits Are A ‘Fraud,’ We’re ‘Paying People Not To Work’

When Congress returns after the August recess, it plans to consider an extension of unemployment benefits for the 1.5 million Americans whose benefits will run out by the end of the year (a half million of those will run out by the end of September). Last night, CNBC’s Larry Kudlow hosted University of Chicago Professor Casey Mulligan and former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich to discuss, among other things, the effectiveness of benefits as stimulus and a social safety net. Prompted by Kudlow asking Reich if “the thrust of the stimulus plan” constitues “paying people not to work,” Mulligan said:

This is the same fraud coming from the other party. When Republicans did it they called it trickle-down. You do this, you benefit one guy, he goes and spends it and it benefits another guy. The Democrats got their own version now, it’s called Keynesian or whatever, but they’re saying if I give an unemployment check to somebody who’s not working, he’s going to go spend it and create more jobs. It’s just another version of the trickle-down fraud and it’s a fraud.

Watch it:

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/08/11/cnbc-unemployment-fraud/

:grr:

CNBC is getting as bad as Faux.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:14 PM
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1. Those dumb shits need a reminder of what happens
when people aren't paid a subsistence when the jobs dry up because the financiers at the top fucked up.

It's not pretty. Having to dodge fighting in the streets on the way to and from their posh Manhattan condos will ruin their days.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:15 PM
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2. Don't we all pay into UI for years and years and years
as a standard deduction from our paychecks? Aren't we simply getting back $ that we put into the fund? Doesn't a person who paid into such a fund for 20 years deserve to get back more than 13-26 weeks of UI if they hit a rough spot?

Apples and oranges.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:20 PM
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7. Actually in most states I think the employers pay into an
insurance fund, kinda like workman's comp. The higher the employers turnover the higher his premiums. Of course one could argue that without the need to pay into the fund wages could be higher so the employee is paying, indirectly.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:15 PM
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3. Most of their anchors
...have Jack Welch's withered hand shoved up their asses.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:30 PM
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12. Neutron Joke, who looks like an old kidney bean at this point, is a regular guest on Squawk Box.
That's what the morning show's called.

Guess he has to check up on his bitches and see if they're towing the corporate line.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:17 PM
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4. Oh, Gawd! Does the nonsense ever stop on these fake news channels?
:puke:
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:17 PM
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5. So why don't they just create some jobs
and give them to the unemployed? Problem solved.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:18 PM
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6. BULLSHIT!
Sorry about the all caps, but as one who has been on unemployment, I know first hand that that statement is pure total crap. I was unemployed twice because of plant shutdowns, which the employees had nothing to do with. We did not ask for our jobs to be shipped elsewhere but they were and thankfully, unemployement insurance was available. Otherwise, either be a 40 something man with a kid and a wife who would have had to live with relatives, or be street people. Neither was a viable option. I am tired of that old talking point and will argue with anyone, and I mean anyone who wants to say crap like that. Unemployment benefits are a safety net, not a living. Besides, when I was on it, I think I got around $250.00/week before taxes. That ain't much, people.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:23 PM
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8. At least we pay the premiums which funds the trust from which benefits are paid. Unlike
the mortgage interest deduction, which is just point-blank an upper-middle class handout. Doubt you'll be hearing anyone on CNBC attack the mortgage interest deduction anytime soon.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:23 PM
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9. Was he wearing a French victorian wig and tights when he said this? nt
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:25 PM
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10. "Getting"???
Edited on Tue Aug-11-09 01:29 PM by HughBeaumont
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6274022&mesg_id=6274735

Most of those asswipes genuflect to the shrine of Reagan, especially Kudlow.

Reagan, by the way, called unemployment insurance “a pre-paid vacation for freeloaders”. Charming guy. :eyes:
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:26 PM
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11. 40% of jobless don't qualify for UI as it is. n/t
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:30 PM
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13. "Paying people not to work?"
Edited on Tue Aug-11-09 01:31 PM by Dulcinea
This asswipe has no idea of what he's talking about! I've been out of work for 6 months, & my unemployment check is helping keep my family afloat. I've been looking, like 10-15% of America, but haven't found anything.

Unless you've found yourself without a job, STFU!
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:32 PM
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14. Milton Friedman should have never been born nt
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:40 PM
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15. Because the capitalists won't pay us to work...
...we pay ourselves.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:43 PM
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16. Robert Reich probably needed a shower after . . .
. . . being on the same show with Cokeman Kudlow and No-Crash Casey.

I saw this last night and was screaming at the TV because I was so enraged. FWIW, Kudlow said he thought most people wanted to work no matter what they were paid.

Mulligan is a well-known joke - "it's called Keynesianism or whatever?"
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:47 PM
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17. These guys are so stupid they argue against their own elite best interests regularly
It cracks me up

Hey geniuses, trust me - with unemployment officially near 10% an unofficially much higher, the last thing you want for your precious market is for consumer spending to take the nose dive that it absolutely would without unemployment.

It's not a hand out - its propping you assholes up. I'd prefer you just said "thank you" and shut the fuck up.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:47 PM
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18. What a load of crap! My husband is on unemployment because
he was laid off in December. He didn't just up and quit his job. He doesn't sit around the house all day, eating bonbons. He's responded to more job openings than I can shake a stick at. He is now in school, learning a new trade, because there just aren't jobs in the industry he had worked in for 20 years.

Kudlow can kiss my big white ass.

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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:50 PM
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19. Well then fine...nationalize the goddamn companies
and stop laying people off.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:51 PM
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20. Is not the entire Krudlow mantra but one big fraud wrapped in a bigger lie?
:P
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:56 PM
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21. "It's called Keynesian or whatever..." Why is this guy on television? nt
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:03 PM
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22. I didn't realize trickle down was meant to put food on the table.
All this time I thought it was just about giving tax cuts to the upper tax brackets.:shrug:
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:41 PM
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23. Fuck him.
Edited on Tue Aug-11-09 02:41 PM by juno jones
I managed to be eligible for unemployment because my republican boss was a dick to me and I could prove it. It's the second time in 25 years that I have ever recieved it. The first was a layoff. I'm still working PT AND looking for another job.

They won't be happy until they can legally work us to death and starve us when it pleases them. Just like slaves.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:44 PM
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24. University of Chicago economist...that should tell you all you need to know
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