I don't want my child around people who carry guns...

It's probably unreasonable and I'll probably get slammed for this, but I've never liked the concealed gun laws one single bit. I'd just rather not have my child around people who carry guns. Police officers are the only exception.

We do have a hunting rifle that is put up in the closet and the shells are in the lockbox in the basement. My husband will not even load it in the house. He waits until right before he's getting ready to hunt before loading it.

Anyway, this is just one of the things that bug me. If I could have a choice about this, it would be to keep my child away from people who think they have to carry a gun on their person.

That jackass on Hardball easily made my case. No way would I want my son anywhere near him.

terrible crime rate. People board up their homes. And when you go to an event where the POTUS is going to be and every cop within a 3 state radius, you need to be afraid...right?

Amazing how they do that what with all the blood-and-carnage that are inescapable results of merely allowing guns to be carried isn't it?

If you want to keep your kid away from guns move to DC or Chicago as they have the strictest gun laws in the country. Let me know how much safer you feel than you might in New Hampshire.

From the Dept. of lies at the Brady Bunch.

Thanks for addressing the facts/figures in the study directly...

They will lie about every thing. They are not to be believed.

Since you're already pre-programmed by the pro-proliferationists, there's really no "discussing" anything with the likes of you, is there?

But if you cite a source to validate your statements, use one that's credible, without an agenda.

n/t

I lived in L.A., where they may have gun laws, but the crooks don't give a crap. I feel so very sorry for you people who are so scared that they feel the need to have guns everywhere.
FFS.

Sure, I am all for the right to bear arms. But I don't bear any. Why? Well besides the cost, they are not good things to have with kids in the house.

Of course, the fact that I have no interest in guns is also a factor - but I am all for the right to own one.

Just don't bring them to townhall meetings.

Don't worry, you are perfectly safe around someone licensed to conceal carry firearms.

Cops are the exception to that rule.

Most places are safe enough. But there are some areas of the country that I would never enter without a gun. Very few, but they still exist.


Most CCW holders do not carry on a regular basis.

And I never saved them the last time I read them.

she/he has a reason to carry it for self-defense.

cynatnite: "I would really like to see some stats on that."

jody: "You don't need stats, use your eyes and where you see a police officer with a handgun you can assume she/he has a reason to carry it for self-defense."

who would deny others their right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

Such people in essence propose disarming victims and leaving violent criminals armed.

going through life thinking of yourself as a victim. no gun is going to cure that.

in your dreams

It's the carrying concealed weapons I have an issue with.

People cannot grab at the gun and no one knows you are carrying.

Of course, other people don't know how sane someone is that carries concealed. But like I said, CCW holders have an extremely low incident rate.

I have held ts clearance, passed single scope background check. I was trained to operate a weapon in the military. I carry a concealed weapon as a civilian because it has zero negative impact on any person.

My wife has a permit as well. Both of us are sane and work in highly skilled positions.

of anyone who thinks a magic man lives in the sky and if we dont do what he says we are going to spend eternity burning in a lake of fire.

there is a greater statistical possibility that a person WITH a gun could shoot you (> 0%) than a person WITHOUT a gun (= 0%).

Without the existence of a gun, it is impossible to be shot. So your comparison is bogus. But being that CCW holders have such a low rate of incident, you would actually be safer around one in the event that someone else with a gun shows up with the intent to hurt you.

But it really does depend on the circumstance.

Of course, I'm sure this is lost on you. :sarcasm:

>But being that CCW holders have such a low rate of incident, you would actually be safer around one in the event<

The only comforting "rate of incident" is zero.

We've seen over the past few weeks that people who shouldn't are still getting their hands on guns they shouldn't be and killing others. Of course, that's no consequence to the gun nuts. It's someone else's beloved. They don't fucking matter, do they?

"We've seen over the past few weeks that people who shouldn't are still getting their hands on guns they shouldn't be and killing others."

You are correct. Guns are readily available on the black market.

I'm sure you'd change your mind about CCW holders when someone shows up with an illegally obtained firearm. See, criminals don't play by the rules. Outlawing fire arms will only mean that the good guys cannot protect themselves.

No, thanks.

Have fun with your extra-special little toy, and don't even try to convince me that CCW holders are all "good guys". The guy that used to have a business in the same building I was in was a white supremacist.

I don't carry handguns. I'm not old enough to have a concealed carry permit. But even if I was, I would almost never arm myself. There's no point in doing so because I live in a fairly safe area.

Of course, not every CCW holder is going to be jesus christ. But being a douche is a lot different than being insane.

Virgina tech classrooms?
US Holocaust Memorial Museum?
A social services center in Binghamton, NY?
Columbine public school?
A Tampa FL McDonalds parking lot?
A Luby's Cafeteria?

And the way things are going you might need protection at a town hall meeting.

Not to mention a gym in Pittsburgh.

with "black market" guns? as far as i know they were all legally obtained.

I can probably count them on my fingers from the past 10 years. Compared to thousands of violent crimes committed each year in the US.

You are arguing the exception. Not to mention, most of the massacres were committed by people suffering from clear mental illness. There should be some law passed that deals with that issue. But is will not be a miracle cure.

there have been at least 10 unprovoked mass shooting/suicides in the US THIS YEAR. you have a lot of fingers.

all the recent gun massacres were done with legally obtained weapons. thought so.

...CCW permit holders do not patrol the streets putting themselves in harm's way.

That there's even an incident rate for them.

Are you a CCW permit holder?

Why would you need it? Are you in serious danger so you need to defend yourself?

'Why not' is an answer I don't really feel to indulge in discussion-wise.

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A "concealed" weapon can't get credit for stopping anything. If it is concealed no one sees it.

I agree on the perfectly safe part but pointing to a difference in incident rates between civilians and police is blatantly dishonest and has no place in the debate.

enough that I feel a need to be armed at all times or have a loaded gun in my bedroom. The crime rate, at least where I live make it much more likely that I'd shoot someone by accident than actually have to use the weapon.

Also, I would never let my kids stay over at someones place if I knew thay didn't properly lock up all weapons at all times.

to keep and bear arms for self-defense, a right that as SCOTUS said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), “{t}his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."

When attacked by a violent criminal and seconds count, police are only minutes possibly hours away.

I question the need to carry a concealed weapon and expressed my feelings about having my son around that.

study your paradoxical positions.

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if you have a strong stomach

would be eaten alive in the Gungeon.

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being denied a CCW permit doesnt prevent anyone from owning a gun. end of story.

obligated to protect any citizen unless she/he is in custody

Given the current Violent Crime Rate of 466.9/100k and life expectancy at birth of 77.8 years, 30% of our citizens will be a victim of violent crime in their lifetime and some of those murdered.

Self-defense is a personal responsibility.

Whether you keep and bear arms is your choice but you have no authority to prevent a law-abiding citizen from exercising their right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

i wish i could say im surprised.

my assertion is that you play fast and loose with the facts and then change the subject when called on it, your replies to me in this thread support my assertion just fine.

What actually scares me, are the many gun advocates who are so very agitated and angry, and yes, paranoid!

That's not really the type of temperament I'd feel comfortable with having concealed weapons around my kids.

opposing laws that would prohibit law abiding citizens from keeping and bearing arms for self-defense.

I support the first and oppose all attempts to prohibit law-abiding citizens from exercising a pre-existing or inalienable right.

I wasn't even addressing that.
I know all about your inalienable rights.
I actually was referring to the OP's discomfort with having concealed weapons around their children.
The way you have jumped on responses here, putting words in people's mouths, makes me think you are paranoid.

sorry, but that's the way I read it.

I stated I didn't like it...not that I wanted to deny people that.

We know a special agent with 20 years' experience in a triple-letter government agency.

DH has been volunteering for a local police department for the past eleven years.

We know the local police force; I am a former city councilmember, and they worked for me.

ALL OF THEM have expressed extreme misgivings about those who believe they are proficient enough with a gun to carry concealed, carry them daily, leave them unsecured in a home, etcetera.

I might also mention that I have had more than one experience in workplaces, on the street, etcetera, with those who believe that a gun is a penis extender, and liked to brandish theirs at the slightest opportunity. And, yes, one of the parties was arrested and prosecuted for his brandishing a weapon at me.

>I question the need to carry a concealed weapon and expressed my feelings about having my son around that.<

I'm with you. I'd rather have the opportunity to make sure I wasn't anywhere around people like, oh, the guy who brought a gun on our date while I was still single. The guy who was a temp at the largest software company in the world, and insisted on packing while at the office. The other business owner in our building who drew before leaving the building nightly on his way to his car. (Did I mention that the police department was less than one minute away, not to mention that there have been no violent crimes in our community for over 20 years?) You have the right to know that your child is not exposed to the nutjobs that invariably get a gun, despite the best arguments of those in the gungeon, and gun down others who are doing nothing more than breathing when they decide to go out in a blaze of glory.

they'll tell you how obsessed with penises you are!

>they'll tell you how obsessed with penises you are!<

That's right. :woohoo:

as most people that are gun owners are law abiding citizens, just like you.

it's not unlike the pitbull owners . . . ("he's just a little pussycat")

I don't want to be around 'em. I don't want my children around 'em.

Unless they're law enforcement.

If so I believe your state has a lot of proponenets of carrying a handgun. If you're out in public you are probably around someone carrying concealed. According to this there are nearly 223,000 permit holders in TN.

http://www.state.tn.us/safety/stats/DL_Handgun/Handgun/HandgunReport2008Full.pdf

We've got more nutjobs in the NE part of the state than just about anywhere else in the state. The Chattanooga area probably has a little more.

They'll brag about their guns here and get crazy when the talk turns to Dems.

other attempts to infringe upon our pre-existing or inalienable right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

post the exact wording please.

bearing arms for self-defense.

Obviously there are only two ways to "bear arms", either openly or concealed and it's the latter that brings in a government infringement approved by SCOTUS.

SCOTUS said in Heller:

Kentucky's Supreme Court consider laws that banned open-carry and concealed-carry and concluded that together the laws prohibited a citizen's right to bear arms and was therefore unconstitutional.

IMO SCOTUS would agree with KY's Supreme Court.

nothing. despite your assertion ccw is not a right enshrined in the 2nd amendment. by the way what "well regulated militia" do you belong to?

I don't have guns or people who feel the need for guns in my life. Of course that doesn't mean I'm safe from the gun nuts, but I'm safer than I would be if I had anything to do with them personally.

I'm not suicidal. I just don't have cowards who are afraid to go through life unarmed in my life. It's not hard to do. Gun people like to brag.

responsibility, not governments and whether a person chooses to be armed or not is a personal decision.

I suppose people have a legal right to own and carry guns ... I have a legal and moral right to pass my anti-gun sentiments on to my children!

Some things are just not meant to understand, but I agree with you

Most of those are not those who carry guns legally. I also don't want my child around assholes, irregardless of guns or not.

...and there was a child next to me, shooting at the gun range last time I was there. Even when there is an adult supervising them, it's a scary thing.

no matter where you go. There are many civilians who need to carry a firearm on their person.

but I think you forgot your little sarcasm thingy.

.. with the ammo 3" from the gun.

All three of these 'assault weapons' are legal in CA..

the minute I saw anyone carrying a handgun or rifle on a street, I would be
on my cell phone to the police department. Then you can tell it to the judge.

like nyc it takes contribution to the correct reelection funds. Then it becomes shall issue. Funny how that works. Unethical, but legal. So it just costs more.

From the calguns.net site:

-Having lunch with your friends - $20
-Parking - $8
-Getting a picture of the idiot who confronted you five minutes ago being told by the police that yes, open carry of an unloaded weapon is legal? Priceless


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cabluedem's intimation that somehow CA's super strong laws keep them safe, is just a feeling, not backed up by reality. No, you don't see a lot of people open carrying (see my post 2 or so up) but they could if they wanted to. And the Assault weapons ban? Just means you have to build or buy a goofier looking rifle.

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Have you ever been to a shooting range? Has your husband educated you about firearms? Did you grow up around firearms? Do you know how to use the rifle or any other type of firearm? Do you realize that it's the PERSON and not the FIREARM that commits any type of crime? A loaded firearm that's left on a table will NEVER discharge unless someone or something squeezes the trigger.

How are you going to defend yourself, your son and your loved ones should someone want to hurt you?

And how many times has your fear been validated?

In Tn I would guess you and your children have been very near to concealed handguns 500 times in the last year.

Concealed means concealed.

Nothing wrong with concealed carry.

I don't want them near the things, thanks.

the majority of people that harm or kill children, dont use guns.

We do have a gun in our home. It's locked up safely. But I hate that in my state they made it legal for people to carry guns into bars/restaurants and parks. Living in the sough sucks.

I live in Mi. 1/2 of the year and carry in those places legally.

Substitute for African American and you would be booed out of here. You also need to read up that cops are more dangerous than CCW holders. Deal with your fears, do not attempt to enforce them on others.

I have a concealed weapons permit and I have 2 underage children and one who just turned 18. I have had my carry permit for 5 years now and never want to be without it. I had had it in the past and let it lapse, I do not carry my weapon at all times but I can, and do most of the time now as I will explain, and I like having that right. I have had to put out a restraining order on a man who I never really knew and there was nothing the law would do since he was always gone when I called and they showed up. I was told get video of him and maybe you will have something to show in court. This man was a know felon and had a history of aggravated assault. He consistently drove around my house watched my children and myself he repeatedly said that he was going to make me pay for getting a restraining order on him. He threatened my life and the lives of my children and this is a man I had only met one time in passing? Things got worse when he was actually witnessed within 50 feet of my house and got arrested, I got it on camera and called the police. I was never at that time leaving my house without a camera or my GUN!!! There are times as a woman taking her children somewhere and living in the middle of nowhere that I feel a lot safer having my weapon on me. I have had 30 years of gun training and experience I shoot on a regular basis. I can understand your apprehension of having your children around someone who has a carry permit but the people who have gone through the process of getting a permit in general have a lot of respect for that permit and do not want to lose that privilege. There were plenty of times I could have pulled my weapon on this man but did not as he was just harassing me at the time but if it had turned worse well I would do what I had to do to protect myself or my children. Oh and the kicker is he was known to carry a shotgun in his van and a gun on him even though he was a felon and the judge did not make him relinquish his weapons to the police when the order was placed on him. A few months later another woman was having the same problems but he was in her home she filed and got a order on him also and he was supposed to give all firearms to the police but has not as a officer i know has told me he never did. So you never know who is carrying a gun but at least with someone who has gone through the process has respect for what they have and does not want to jeopardize there right to carry. Everyone carries for a reason. I like this saying choose one Gun Owner??? Victim??? You know my choice. I will probably get flamed for my opinion but like they say opinions are like A**holes everyone has one. Have a great day guys and gals.

Far too many people have concealed carry permits. You can't ever know for sure who has them and who doesn't.

--as opposed to open carry because it seems more polite. That way, I can still legally carry, and those who are made uncomfortable by the sight of guns don't have to worry about it, because they are never aware that I have one.

:eyes:

Any other ignorant stereotypes you wish to share?

Do you think the gun itself is dangerous to be around, or that the person who "needs" to have a gun is the problem, and represents a viable threat to your child? If so, Why?

I don't.

Home of the slang term "po-Po for POrtland POlice. have experienced oppression at political events in Portland many times being rom Eugene. I don't like nor trust the police either.

They are lackeys of the power elite and the oppressor class of this corporate playground that is only nominally a real country. To know pop-po in Portland is to know just how bad the police really can be.

I picked it up living in DC.

Which is a nickname earned for the intensity and frequency of protests related to the Bush years up there.

Thanks for the perspective. I know I loath the park police in D.C. after getting to know them well doing dissent of different types there. You folks there have my deep sympathy for what you have to endure from your local ' officer friendlies.'

It must be difficult for you knowing that you really can't avoid them.

There needs to be a Godwin-equivalent for the ever-present "for the children" whine.

call it a "whine", but you gun folks are a minority... a loud whinny one.

Do you live in the same country I do?

are 8+ million gays and lesbians who lobby for their rights including same-sex marriage.

We gun-owners have a major difference because our right is enumerated in the constitution and thereby protected against the tyranny of a simple majority but the GL community, that I support , is yet to be protected as a pre-existing or inalienable right.

Call we pro-RKBA Dems a loud whinny minority if you will but we won in Heller and will win again when the 2nd is incorporated in the 14th as may happen in the next few years.

Your comments are only sour grapes from losers.

I also hope you teach them that irrational fear will get them nowhere.

Trust me, you won't miss any of em.

ARMED...

No one will know that I am armed but me, and in Virginia, it is 100% legal for me to do so...

I don't want some repuke nut job going "open season" on us Democrats, unopposed

Luckily, I live in California, where it isn't too common. Even here in OC. There is one down the street who is very vocal about her gun ownership, oh, and her hatred of Obama. Luckily her kids are teenage and mine are babies.

Check the numbers about gun ownership in CA, its many more than you think.

so yeah... I wouldn't want my kids around that shit either.

Couldn't resist.

when the kids would play at a new friends house was, "Are there any guns in the home?"
If there were guns that were not locked away properly they were not allowed in that home.
That is about all you can do to keep them away on your terms.
We don't have guns. I don't need them to feel safe. I understand others do.
I am leery of people who feel the need to carry a weapon. I avoid those kind of people.
I wouldn't knowingly allow them to be with someone that carried a gun.
You are not alone in that regard.

like female surgeon who drives an Audi S8? Federal agent, mathematics professor Just curious..

Not all gun owners live in a trailer, chew tobacco and wear dirty t shirts.

It doesn't have to do with the level of education and wealth.
If people are so afraid that they have to carry a weopon at all times I would rather not be around them.
Of course I understand law enforcement officers have to carry a weapon. Duh.

But its hard to make that determination. I have no problem with guns, but do have problems with the idiots who think that carrying a gun makes them a God, more important then others, and needs and craves attention (like the guy in NH). Carrying a gun for protection or because you are well trained with one does not mean you need to flash it in the face of others.