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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:14 AM
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Victory in Afghanistan Similar to Pornography: Holbrooke
Source: TopNews.in

Washington, Aug. 13 : While US troops involved in an intense battle against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, President Obama's Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, has compared success in Afghanistan to pornography.

Addressing a panel at the St. Regis Hotel, Holbrooke was asked about his views over how he sees victory in Afghanistan, and the continuation of drone strikes against Al-Qaeda and other outlawed outfits in the region, The Washington Independent reports.

Holbrooke replied: "The U. S. had to be `clear about what our national interests are' ultimately, success would require taking a `Supreme Court test', we''ll know it when we see it."

Holbrooke's statement was quite similar to what Justice Potter Stewart had once said while explaining pornography.

more: http://www.topnews.in/victory-afghanistan-similar-pornography-holbrooke-2201301
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Utter bullshit.:grr:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:30 AM
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1. Ridiculous, misleading subject line
That would only make sense if the phrase, "we'll know it when we see it" was ONLY used to describe pornography.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:37 AM
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3. The end result is the same, though. War without end.
It isn't over till we say it's over. How to define it? When we say it's over.

What's a win?

You'll know when we tell you.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:32 AM
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2. Completely moronic journalism. This writer should be thrown to the wolves.
He did not compare it to porn. He did not even mention porn. What a dumb story.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:38 AM
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4. How would you interpret 'the Supreme Court test'?
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 06:38 AM by tekisui
What do you think Holbrooke was referencing?
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:41 AM
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5. "I know it when I see it" is from a porn case, yes, but applies to anything and doesn't justify
saying he compared the war in Afghanistan to porn, nor does it justify your misplaced outrage.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:43 AM
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6. My outrage is not misplaced.
Thanks, though. Afghanistan is a war without a win. An ill-defined objective that will cost more than Iraq. War profiteers are doing just as well there, as we lose more soldiers and kill more civilians. ANd, Holbrooke is saying(regardless of whether he had porn in mind)it will go on until some ambiguous moment--years from now--when the US decides arbitrarily it is over. It is bullshit.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:45 AM
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8. I agree it's bullshit.
It's also bullshit to say that Holbrooke said victory in Afghanistan is similar to pornography.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:46 AM
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9. Fair enough.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:45 AM
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7. i know when i see it... journalists using porn or naked girls to sell copy that has nothing
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 06:46 AM by seabeyond
to do with porn or naked girls.

i agree with two posters above. kept waiting to hear hollbrook reference porn. hey, he did not
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:51 AM
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10. oh for chrissake he may not have said the word "porn" but
he referenced the supreme court case that dealt with porn when he made the comment "we know it when we see it". I really cannot believe you all are really this fucking STUPID. jesus christ. :eyes:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 06:54 AM
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11. The Supreme Court porn case also used the words, "a" and "the"
That does not mean every time you see someone use "a" or "the" they are talking about porn.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:06 AM
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12. Try being less of an asshole, please. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:13 AM
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14. hillary gets ass reamed for calling a student on a question. here it is implied hollbrook compared
afghan war to porn. it would be a misstep if he had. he didnt.

you really cant see the scuminess of the title.

first three people called it
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:10 AM
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13. I knew what the similarity was going to be before I clicked the link..
Pretty obvious simile.

Since it doesn't seem possible to agree on what "victory" will look like then the only other way to know what it might be is "I know it when I see it."
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:53 AM
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15. "Obscenity"

"Obscenity," not pornography, was the subject of the famous Potter Stewart quote. Dumb comment by Holbrooke on many levels.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:56 AM
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16. except holbrooke didnt use porn. his quote
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 07:56 AM by seabeyond
Holbrooke replied: "The U. S. had to be `clear about what our national interests are' ultimately, success would require taking a `Supreme Court test', we''ll know it when we see it."
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 07:57 PM
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17. You're Right

It was still a dumb comment. :-)
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