"It could be you"....

Important message to be passed on to the "I got mine and things are just hunkydory the way they are" crowd. Since a high percentage of people in bankruptcy end up there due to medical expenses and EVERYONE has a chance that they will become disabled at some point in their lives, this needs to be a central reply to these people. Right now, medical care is a crap shoot. A roll of the dice. A slight of hand card trick with the industries holding aces up their sleeves. To assum that you will always have yours is misguided at best. You can loose it all in a heartbeat, no matter how well you plan, unless you are a millionaire or better.

The last 30 years have been spent with the RW and their backers convincing everyone that they could live the life of the rich and famous and there is a mindset out here that still believes the right lottery ticket pick will be the ticket to a life of ease and luxury. A fool's folly.

IT COULD BE YOU. Especially since jobs and whole industries are still drying up. Since healthcare costs continue to go up at substatial rates annually as do insurance premiums. It could be you sitting a free clinic hoping you get a number so you can stand in line to receive care from a few gracious healthcare professionals who took their oaths seriously.

It could be you if healthcare reform does NOT happen.

who works, but has no benefits.

she is healthy but we all know that can change in a second.

I can't cover her on my plan, she is too old.

She is in a major city with a university medical center but still. . . .


I am 6 years from full Medicare coverage myself and hopefully will have some kind of something from my employer until then.

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screwed over daily by an out of control and corrupt health care system? Have you ever really looked at what gets billed? Are you comfortable with funding pharmaceutical companies to conduct research through federal grants only for them to turn around and stick it to you when you need medicine?

I am in support of eliminating waste and for the lives of people to be valued while they are on earth. We are already paying for it through high premiums and medical service charges because insurers and hospitals already ration.

I take it that you would only render assistance to a person in distress if he/she could produce papers first. Fine Christian attitude. To be commended.

If the Left wants health care to be a right, you need to listen to the Right and cooperate with them about how to cut costs. I believe every AMERICAN, i.e. U.S. citizen, has the right to be covered for basic health care regardless of your pre-existing condition but we must cut costs and conservatives such as Michael Savage have good ideas about having a frugal but effective health care system.
1. Increase competition for health insurance.
2. Cap malpractice settlements (I am referring to punitive awards, not actual compensation)
3. Bill countries of origin for treating illegal aliens.
4. Indict former senator John Edwards for fraud and extortion --- he destroyed hospitals.

I agree that health care is a right (for U.S. citizens) --- basic health care. Not having your Johnson turned into a phony female part. You got it? Without these measures, a single-payer system will fail.

Do you work for one of these vampiric industries which are sucking the life blood from this nation?

Every human has the right to compassionionate treatment when in medical distress.

Now I want to hear your best stab at two-faced, right to life bullshit. Who gave you the right to decide who suffers and who dies? What is so special about you that you or I are more worthy of compassionalte care than because by chance we are citizens of this nation?

You got yours, alright.

:eyes: Bet you got yours though, right? :eyes:

Prove it!

Please prove the assertions that you have made, and do it quickly before you are tombstoned.

some budget somewhere...unless, of course, you've found a way to exist without sustenance of any kind and the only thing that harms you is kryptonite. What frightens you so much about being your brother's keeper?

Squeal away.

And what does it have to do with the current health care debate. Other than the fact that a portion of the uninsured that get expensive care at hospital emergency rooms are undocumented aliens. Whose employers are illegally employing them and do not provide benefits.

And the uninsured patients, whether they are American citizens or undocumented aliens, who get their primary care at emergency rooms cost each and every one of the rest of us an estimated $1000 per year. So we are all already paying for care in a much more expensive way than offering preventative care in a timely manner which would reduce emergency room visits.

Tell you what, try making it illegal for hospitals to treat emergency patients until they produce their birth certificate. And since you seem to be judgmental, lets make the 'original' birth certificate. Then let me know how that works for you if you need emergency care.

Thank you.

Go ahead and treat these invaders but send a bill to country of origin. I am serious about this. I believe that health care is a right as Sen. Kennedy said... it is a right for U.S. citizens. The only way to bring this right to fruition is to cut the costs --- be it invoke anti-trust measures against insurance companies, put limitation on punitive rewards in litigation, and stop subsidizing ILLEGAL aliens. Without these cost-cutting measures, the U.S. will never have a single payer system without a very angry reaction.

I understand that Europe does not have the obnoxious litigious system (John Edwards needs to go to prison for destroying hospitals) like ours. W. Europe is not being overrun by modern day Visigoths. One last point... if you force the employers of illegal aliens, then the American consumer will pay. I say Mexico owes us millions of barrels of oil for this.

Nothing to do with nationality or borders. Having a lot to do with humanity and compassion. Compassion--another value soiled by the same Bible-thumping, flag-waving crowd. Compassion. Mercy. The core teachings of Christ. Once again we see how well that teaching has been ignored. Remember the Samaritan?

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and I did alert. Just wishing I had made a screen shot of it.

and sanctions that cost every ONE of us far more money than you'd believe, or want to calculate. You think Health Care is expensive? Try adding up all the money we spend on 'defense' and capitalistic corporate support.

Where is your line? You want the "right" not to "pay for the health" of what you call an "illegal" person. But I don't hear you bitching about your money being spent to destroy the lives of millions of people, globally.

Successful "Capitalist" nations, are what they are, in large part by using the citizens, and the resources of the "loser" nations without conscience, or moral responsibility. If you insist on continuing this kind of "success" you are guaranteed to have to expend endless trillions upon trillions of your "money" defending your right to live large on the lives of the "little people".


Skidmore's OP is RIGHT ON. The understanding that we are all vulnerable to suffering, sickness, accident and sorrow, should unite us in the desire to help each other, NOT become even more self-centered and selfish.

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Force them to pay the minimum hourly wage required by law? Force them to check ID as required by law? Force them to pay state and federal income taxes, Social Security taxes, Medicare, workman's compensation, and unemployment as required by law?

Many employers happily employ undocumented aliens so that they do not have to pay all of those as required by law. This is one reason there are "jobs that Americans won't do" - Americans would force the employers to follow the law and pay the legally required items listed above.

It is not just individuals hiring some housekeepers, nannies, or gardeners. It is big corporations that employ thousands of undocumented aliens and millions or billions of dollars in unpaid taxes. The corporations' "savings" cost all Americans when the undocumented aliens use services such as schools or emergency rooms. There are billions of dollars in taxes not being paid by these corporations.

This is one reason that even some Republicans were for some way to regularize the status of undocumented aliens - so they would be paying taxes. Remember for all the noise made during the Bush administration, the borders were never properly secured and not real effort was made to hunt down and deport all the "illegal invaders" even though there were many years that Bush could have worked on those two 'problems'.

If the corporations did as they are supposed to do check for valid ID and Social Security numbers, paid their workers at least minimum wage, and paid all the taxes and insurance as required by law, and maybe even paid for some sort of health insurance coverage, there would be (A) fewer undocumented aliens, (B) more taxes paid, (C) more workers paid enough to buy more goods, and (D) fewer people without health insurance that rely on emergency rooms for their primary care.

As I said in my message above, we are already paying for uninsured people getting health care, and we are doing it the most expensive way possible with the poorest results.

that gives free health care to illegal aliens.

This guy is not concerned with constructive ideas, only shutting down reform.

you should vote for the person whose views most closely align with yours. You're not accomplishing anything by posting such a question on a progressive message board.

There is no upside to creating a captive market to the most predatory industry on earth. There is no way to stop them from circumventing and twisting any regulation, other than to abolish the industry. As long as there are profits to be had, they will get them. They've been doing this for over a century (1871) and they are very good at it, far better than the shills and dullards we send to Washington DC.

Talk about government interference in your life. . . . .

sad that many people only seem able to grasp that reality when it applies to winning the lottery, or making it 'big'.

K&R

:hi:

long time since I've seen you around. But then, I haven't been online much. Nice to see you again. Hope all is well with you and yours.

i fall on my arse occasionally- and still choosing to embrace hope-

Great to see you too- and good wishes back to you and yours as well!

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