Why The Dems Are Losing This Health Care Reform Debate?......

They just don't know how and can't lie and the Repugs have had so much practice lying - they give the impression to people that they are telling the truth.

Bottom line the Repugs are good liars.

Gregory - let the Repugs lie and spout off and never once tried to cut them off. Armey even pounded his hand down and said let me make this other point - and Gregory let him talk. Gregory kept on cutting off Daschle and Rachel and wouldn't let them complete their statements.

If we lose this, it is by design.

Our leaders have been all over the place. Obama has done a poor job of creating a theme that sings. He's played defense the whole time. He hasn't used his bully pulpit well. He always puts being compromising above being efficient.

He needs less "come let us reason together" and more "get on board, or suffer the consequences" in his game.

complete lie. He needs to go on the offensive like (ugh) * did.

"This is gonna happen, like it or not. I'll talk, I'll listen, but we WILL have a plan. If you aren't willing to do the same, pay up at re-election time. I've got plenty of momentum and political capital, you've got Dick Armey and Katy Abrams. I WIN."

Bush was an idiot, but he understood the importance of having sound bites that were utilitarian.

It's hard to make a sound bite from a rambling, 30 second statement that equivocates and apologizes. Obama is great if you have 30 minutes. Not so great if the object is an answer under 10 seconds.

It seems for what will be the final bill, we made a deal with every company paying for lobbyists on the hill. (ie: all of them)

Is there any 'stakeholder' out there opposed to this bill?

After making the deals, I'm thinking *THEY* should be OUT THERE talking up this plan...

President Obama seems to be having to do all the work by himself. I don't see the likes of a Kerry, Feingold and Durbin out there on a daily or even weekly basis - backing up the President.

Bill Maher made a similar point on Friday when he mentioned how Sarah Palin has been bullying them with Facebook.

corporations that the GOP are owned by.

I mean really, if ya think that Daschle would prefer medicaid for all OVER kickbacks from the for profit, pre-existing condition crowd.. well..

People who scream insanely may look like they're getting the upper hand but that's an illusion. Try to remember that Obama won by a huge margin and the country had just as many racists as it does right now. They may be more vocal now, but they were always there and they've been angry since their pastime of lynching uppity blacks for fun was forcefully discontinued.

Their world is dying and it scares the crap out of them so they thrash and grasp at any straw man idiocy presented to them and what you hear is the full throated death rattle of the last generation of bigots. When they're gone no one will remember the good old days when minorities knew their place because all the generations behind the boomers were born after the 'good old days' that these old Republican 'old boys' pine for. Dick Armey is a Texas Good Old Boy. Dead man walking.

and it is really a debate about people.

Where are the stories about the people who have been affected by lousy insurance coverage? Where are the people that, during the '08 campaign, told stories about how being cutting off from insurance wrecked havoc with their families and finances? Where are the stories from people who went into bankruptcy because of medical bills? Where are the stories about the Malkins of the world who attacked children during the last S-CHIP debate and staked out their houses because they dared speak of needing health care? (That goes to the question of free speech: those who the Malkins and Beck's despise, they seek to shut down, including children.)

We are the Party of the People. We should be letting those people speak. We should be showing families on TV who need this reform to go through or they stand to lose everything they have worked for in life. We need to show the refuseniks of the health care industry; those people who can't buy coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

We need to trust the people and trust that we are on the right side of morality and history here. This is not a policy debate for wonks where what matters is who can link to the wonkiest source. This is a fight to save the lives and financial security of millions of ordinary Americans who "play by the rules" and are getting burned in return. We are their champions and their voice. We need to speak up and tell their stories, not let demagogues like Palin take over the conversation with lies.

on reform has been worse than pathetic. Obama can't do it alone. If the entire nation had listened to his opening remarks in Colorado yesterday this debate would be over. One of the biggest culprits in all of this is the media. They receive such massive amounts of revenue from insurance and pharmaceutical companies they can not remain objective or neutral. When you add to this the fact they are conflict driven it really becomes hopeless. The attention given to the screamers at the town halls was beyond the pale. I am usually a very optimistic person but I am not feeling very good today.

If Dems are cut off from ending their sentences all they need do is to verbally attack and humiliate the TV announcer. But, as always, Dems are too afraid. Same thing with web forums: Dems are too afraid of debating with the right wing.

Obama was voted into office with a clear mandate to create health care reform. But the Dems have fucked it with their timidity. I have decided that if we do not get health care reform and if the Dems allow the Pukes to re-gain the majority of Congress in November, then I'm finished with politics. I'll throw away my voter registration card and won't bother to fight for change again.

Since it appears that Dems want the Pukes to win and create a society where the plutocrats have it all, then it's no further use in fighting it.

On doing the right - and best - thing.

before fighting back hard.

The Senate Finance Committee Bill is the only one that counts and it is still being worked on. The real debate begins after that Bill is finished and released to the public.