Meet the Press 8/16/09 How come the right can just make stuff up?

What is so madding to me is that I feel we are fighting w/ one armed tied behind our back
because no matter how smart, correct, and fact based arguments that Maddow or Tom Daschle
would make Sen. Coburn and Dick Armey would answer back w flat out lies.

Buying Insurance across state lines will cut health care costs?

Please for the love of God can somebody show the state has affordable health insurance and
quality health care for all? Please remember that the right is results driven and just like lying
about John Kerry's war record the lies to keep the status quo going are just part of the game.

... could put bull shit on toast and call it "country style apple butter" was amazing.

'...apple butter". :thumbsup:

He let Dick Cheney go on his show and lie his ass off time and again.

He would have the I gotcha videos, statments from these liars, and they'd lie about the lie and Russert would sit there nodding. He was a corporate whore too.

They don't care about niceties, they will lie and tear down anybody. Give it back!
Call them liars.
Let them sputter.

about lies anymore.

And magnified by the fact that somebody like Daschle, while smart and informed, talks like your stereotypical boring computer-like Dem senator. He might say something and then get it countered by a simplistic jingoistic whopper. Tough to combat that.

Is this reform about helping the American people or the insurance companies? I thought that bottom lied it but
Armey who is making millions to protect the insurance companies wasn't phased a bit and dropped some crap just
to fill up airtime.

Armey looks like a blathering asshole who wants to get rid of medicare. Oh, *that's* real bright, huh?

And Cobrun said that the government "earned" the death threats. Holy Christ but that's insane.

That's why I very rarely watch MTP with David Gregory.

He ignored the key question on our minds-- the private sector trotted out the same scary arguments in the 90's when Democrats tried to introduce national health insurance, saying the private sector could do better. The privatized system has had over ten years to prove its case and has failed miserably. That should be the starting point of the discussion.

He had Rachel Maddow there, who has been doing ground-breaking exposure of the richly funded right wing PR firms stoking the "grass roots" shout-downs, and we could have had a great discussion about where the limits of fanning fears and anger lie.

But Gregory's plan was to allow Dick Armey to redeem himself. Bloviate and show off the tan. Kept talking for some paragraphs so golly, he's just fine. Substance be damned. He and Coburn were working those Gingrich-Luntz talking points-- dropping those key words into their sound bytes regularly.

So David Gregory did a great job-- gave the Republicans a larger platform to expound their lies. He may have had his guest affiliations at 50/50 but skewed the discussion 70/30 to the right.

I am glad Maddow and Daschle were still able to inject some common sense and fact into the discussion.

And they made fools of themselves. Earlier, I read that Coburn doesn't even know if he'll run for reelection because he can't raise the money. So he's twisting in the wind right now. And Rachel revealed this morning to Armey's face that he's working to get Medicare repealed.

So, yup, they grabbed every inch of rope handed to them and tied themselves into some knots that will provide some excellent sound bites on tv all week.

I just get frustrated because our TV news channels are skewed so far to the right. I get tired of the right wing idiots getting to sound off so freely everywhere.

Maybe it was indeed effective in demonstrating how dumb the right wing arguments really are.

is in way over his head . I can barely stand to watch him.

Gregory is a GOP boot licker.

of South Carolina.

And, wouldn't he really rather be dancing with karl rove?

I might even watch. :-)

mtp and following his true calling.

Here's the contact for Meet The Press to let them know what we thought of david gregory's "moderating"..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/ns/meet_the_press/

:hi:City Lights~

:hi:

that we were not all in one room watching it. I almost broke stuff.

used by Republicans. They can never admit to the Rank and File
"Working class" Republicans that they oppose the Federal Government
being involved in Health Care. This is political suicide.

They very smartly come up with these "new ideas" and make it
sound like they really have the peoples' interests at heart.
C'mon Folks. Common Sense tells us this cannot happen.
Right off the bat, the Cost Of Living is much different in
Alabama than NYC. The Cost to sell and operate an Insurance
Co. is much less in Alabama than in NYC. People in Ny start
buying Insurance in Ala and soon the Insurance Companies in
NY are out of business. If the Insurance companies thought
for one minute this was going to happen, they would be up in
arms.

Next every state has its Insurance Lawa Regulation and Insurance
System. All these states who yell States"Rights and State Sovereignty
would be ballistic.

The GOP are really something . Tell me who has had the nerve
to stand up to them and spell this out calling them the charletons
on HealthCare that they are. Now there are going to be rank
and file voters who believe the GOP on this.

70%+ of the people want health care reform and a public option.

Rarely are they asked to name their sources and rarely are they corrected as they lie. This has allowed them to use the public air waves to keep people in the dark and to control their agenda. That is all they have is lies and the huge outlet for them.

Gregory is pathetic and Russert wasn't much better. That's why they can get these serial liars, who will say and do anything to grab power, to appear on MTP. They know that whatever they say will not be seriously challenged, no matter how outrageously untrue, as long as it advances the GOP-neocon-batshit crazy agenda.

We've been walking a broad line. But I say we thin it out a bit. This sounds dangerous, but I say it's far more dangerous that we broadcast lies than to restrict speech.

For example- Saddam has wmd's.

The burden of proof could be far too difficult for this kind of idea to be enacted. But fear is the problem, not free speech limitation. People were afraid that Saddam did have wmd's, and that he was going to drop them on our heads. Yes, he was going to take a country from ruination of a dozen years of sanctions, and magically come all the way across the oceans to our doorsteps, and drop a bomb. Well it never fooled me. But it fooled enough people that Bush and his gang of criminals got what they wanted. They bankrupted America, and killed a million Iraqis.

When someone lies on the air, they should be removed from the air, forever. Period. Liars will leave the airwaves, and innocent victims of the regulation will be replaced by more careful truth tellers. No loss.

I'm sure there is something wrong with this idea. Liars will find all kinds of things wrong with it, no doubt.

nt