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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:35 AM
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On Matthews' show on NBC, following MTP, he cited a predicition of sub 50% polls for Obama
I don't even know where he is now, but recall hearing recently he is still above 60%.

Do you think he will fall below 50%?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:36 AM
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1. it was a poll citing less than 50%
of people surveyed disapprove of his handling on the HCR issue-I'd like to hear how THAT one was worded.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:37 AM
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2. Of course it will. The media will see to it
They love to "take people down". It's what they DO.
Media can no longer just report what's actually happening. They simply MUST interpret every little thing and tell us what WE should think about this or that. and to reinforce it, they keep repeating what they want us to think, until enough of us actually believe it..

propaganda 2.0
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:38 AM
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3. I no longer support him
And won't unless there is a strong public option.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:40 AM
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5. No offense, but .....
..... pollsters would call you an "outlier".

(That word has no connection whatever to the word "liar")
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:41 AM
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6. Actually, no they wouldn't
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:43 AM
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7. Without a public option its a waste of money.
I'm sick at the thought of throwing $60=$100 billion more into health insurance co's pockets.

And then when these people ask for treatment the jokers will say its a pre-existing condition so they won't cover it. BAH.

Government is the only entity who can get a good deal from doctors, hospitals and pharma anyway. I'm beginning to think that the Govt bargains it down so low that it INCREASES what the private insurers and non-insured have to pay. Being in private insurance is going to be more and more expensive as Govt controls the costs for those lucky enough to get in a Govt plan.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:10 PM
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12. You are really going to enjoy the Republican government
you help usher in. Have fun.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:20 PM
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21. WeDidIt isn't the one alienating his own base while trying to reach the unreachables.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:39 AM
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4. if he gives up on the public option
yep..he is ticking off his base now. First there is no single payer..then a robust public option and now they are saying no public option.....it will look like the minority republicans won and he just wanted to get any bill signed..the truth of is it good or bad wont really be known for a few years....it will cost him
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:51 AM
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8. He NEVER campaigned on single payer.
Also, it is said that the first version of Medicare was not that great, but it got a foot in the door.

I BELIEVE that Obama will do the best he can in horrendous circumstances - it is way better than nothing at all.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:03 PM
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10. I never said he did
but it was the first hope and most dems accepted a strong public option in its place now we have to accept no public option....It is going to cost him. I think he can do better still, am willing to wait and see.

I am not optimistic. I think even if this is a fairly good bill without the public option it will cost him. If I am disappointed others are down right pissed. He will be messing up big time to drop the public option.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:01 PM
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9. Members of the left will go against him and eat their own - so very possible
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:05 PM
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11. Yes, if he bails on the Public Option
and I'll be one of them.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:14 PM
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13. So, who ya gonna call?
Palin floats your boat? Romney? McCain? Guiliani? Which one of the asshole brigade from the right will step up for you at all? Or, is it that batshit crazy LaRouche whose followers stand outside every event with signs marked for the website and scream just as inanely as the Palin gang? Or, Ralph, who had a large role in selling us down the river not just once but twice.

Interested in learning what your game plan is.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:18 PM
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14. The public option IS the reform
Without a public option, this entire affair has been effectively hijacked by the pigs (pharma, insurance, ABA, AMA).
If Obama caves on this issue, he's toast for now.
Hopefully he will deliver something to the people who elected him but for now it's not looking too good.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:21 PM
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15. Well, just keep the status quo.
Nothing he does will be acceptable - even if it helps millions of people.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:24 PM
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16. I'll get back to you when..
my premiums drop and my co-workers can afford coverage.
All this does is reshuffle the deck.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:42 PM
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18. Obama is NOT going to jeopardize his re-election
with something that does not help.

He is so committed to doing something to help that he is prepared to be a one term president.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:34 PM
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17. If there is no public option, he'll sink to Bush numbers because
the left will pack their bags.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:14 PM
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19. Where would the left go?
This threat is perennial. It never seems to materialize.

Not being snarky .... just asking.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:21 PM
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22. And that's the problem...
...The Left has nowhere to go so they are manipulated and exploited for the advantage of the Status Quo Party which only looks better because they stand against the Regressive Party.

It's also the reason this nation is circling the toilet bowl. The Reagan Revolution is eradicating the middle class as wealth disparity grows and feudalism is sniffing around the edges.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:44 PM
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23. Many of the people I know are muttering about sticking their heads
in the sand and ignoring it all. What's the point of electing Democrats if nothing changes? It's almost as if Democrats and Republicans are one large party with crazy people out on the fringes. That should worry the Democrats. Those who stay involved will, of course, vote Democratic, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the number of voters decrease as people say to heck with it all. Will all the new voters from 2008 stay if the Washington agenda amounts to more of the same?
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:18 PM
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20. Rasmussen had him at 47% last week. The truth needs to get out about the health plan

The lies are winning and we're fucked.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:53 PM
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24. I predict subzero polls for Stinky the Clown
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