Where the FUCK is the March on DC FOR Health Care Reform???

I've checked the usual suspects to see if they've organized any rallies or marches FOR health care reform and I have not found any.

We need to make our voices heard! We need to be out in full force! I just saw a story on the AP saying the White House is ready to concede the public option!

I don't know how to organize a march that would be effective. Why can't I find one planned by a group that does this sort of thing??? Is it something we can do?

I'M FUCKING PISSED ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!

It seems we are always a step behind. Don't think we will organize until we've lost. Reminds me of the Prop 8 campaign in CA.

http://healthcareforamericanow.org/
Get active!

seems all the organisations where psyops and fronts just to get dems elected rather than true movements. :shrugs:

People on both sides of this problem seem incapable of sharing specific goals without thinking they've ben co-opted by the other.

United for Peace and Justice has done very little since they broke with A.N.S.W.E.R.

Although I disagree with their politics, A.N.S.W.E.R. and WCW are good national organizers and its a shame they've been hobbled by the UFPJ's red-baiting. The ISO are excellent organizers within communities, maybe they'll start working with A.N.S.W.E.R. or take over the organizing.

I think synergy is a good thing. I know myself well enough to know what my differences with them are and I'm glad to share what is a VERY positive experience for everyone involved.

Without outlyers like A.N.S.W.E.R. nothing would ever happen.

come to the march it confuses the issue. And there are people who disagree on some issues but want to protest the war and have to be associated with/march with people who are holding signs that have nothing to do with ending the war that they might disagree with. I saw this and thought it was not helping the cause and was watering down and hurting the anti-war (Iraq) message that most people would otherwise have embraced more.

I did check ANSWERLA and they didn't have anything up about health care rallies.

That does nothing but cause more in-fighting. Instead of saying something is "off message" I try to build allies with the folks and find out how the message fits. As a socialist, it's pretty easy most of the time. All of the issues are netted together. Health care fits into End the War pretty nicely. Even the death penalty can fit--if you can connect it to GI resistance and soldier of conscience imprisonment. I go to rallies and stand near peace signs and I am by no means a pacifist. Mass movements aren't about individual expression and "voices being heard." Those in power do not give a rat's hairy ass about what we think. It's about scaring those in power because there are so many people in the streets. And, frankly, for me and mine, its about building critical mass towards multiple general strikes and the eventual democratic reclamation of our cities.

Any body in the streets helps the cause. (With the exception of provocateurs, but they can be handled.)

They got all the permits because the gov't supported them from the inside as an easily marginalizable astroturf group.

Just like the anti-health care Freepers that are being funded now to provide the appearance of opposition to what is, after all, an industry-written bill designed to move people into the private health insurance market.

The anarchists, who get derided, figured out that long ago and stopped associating with ANSWER. But none of them, the anarchists, the UFPJ, ANSWER, turn out to have any balls whatsoever about stopping the ONGOING Iraq war... because nobody really igves a shit. they prefer to support it with their dollars by cheering good reviews for movies like the Hurt Locker which aim to glorify and put a capstone on our presence in Iraq by portrying it as a "quiet little war" that is safely winding down thanks to the hard work of our Rudyard Kipling-esque Tommies, as they are now portrayed. Even A.O. Scott writing for the NY Times said it was about time the media portrayed the Iraq War positively in an action movie context.

but I think the issue was that key individuals were CIA/FBI. Certainly PSL aren't a front group. They're a pretty radical group of Maoists. I wouldn't be surprised for a second if CPUSA was a front group. From what I understand their members are ancient; they're loopy former Stalinists (though toothless, literally) who now actually support the Democratic party--pretty goddamn conservative for the so-called "far left." But then again, Stalinism isn't much more than bureaucratic capitalism--so it all makes sense.

The anarchists are broken since the RNC. I'm surprised it wasn't done sooner. The FBI is all over every goddamn vegan potluck in my state. Frankly, anarchism as a method is untenable in a "post 9-11 world".

I think the ISO has the correct strategy: build and educate towards critical mass by working within movements, unite the working class by building coalitions, build a revolutionary party, and reorganize society democratically through mass strikes in solidarity with left organizations with other countries.

And don't break so much as a goddamn window in the meanwhile.

they only show the tbaggers because thats who the insurance cos want promoted.

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;)

Seriously, WTF??? I don't get it. How is it possible that I cannot find one organized rally in support of health care reform?

Pathetic.

What happens is that you find out just how not-alone you are.

why does MoveOn or any of the other groups, just keep asking for money for air time, and not organizing a march? Do we have to hope the RAM free health care group will go to DC so we can see actual folks showing up for a cause?

Next solicitation you get for $$$ for any of the groups purportedly working for health care reform, ask them about a MARCH, in EVERY city that can support one.

disrupters.

That's sad, really. They got smeared so bad.

"Mad As Hell Doctors" planning a caravan to descend on Washington.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=411x163

to make a documentary on it. I'm going out today to Inglewood to tape interviews with people waiting in line for free health care. I think they're there today, if not I'll go back tomorrow.

I think some of the future doctors from out medical school will also probably go; they are affiliated with PNHP.

caravan. I wish I could drive but I have to be back here by Oct. 3 and I don't think I can drive that fast back from DC to the California coast. I thought I might try hitting them on Amtrak at some of the stops and then flying back. That might work.

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All I see whenever I bother to watch this disaster on tv are tea-baggers and their organizers shouting down anyone who even tries to get support for healthcare reform.

If the Democrats lose this fight, which they could have won without Republicans, then we will know we have been fooled. The country has not been 'taken over' it has been sold out.

http://www.madashelldoctors.com/

Thom Hartmann interviewed one of these guys on Air America Radio last week.

Why is Moveon or some of our Congressmembers not backing this kind of action? Where are the ads everyone is paying Moveon for promoting an all out revolt against the obsturctionists, in both parties?

The silence is deafening.

the democratic party throughout the internet and beyond instead of recalling the itty bitty (must have been small) little tidbit that President Obama told us is that without "we the people's" aid, nothing will get done since he said over and over again that he could NOT do anything alone and without "we the People" since it is more than obvious that the government is thick with traitors to democracy and it's more than obvious even some supposedly close to him are more than likely working for the enemy who has been in true control of our country for quite some time.

People believe him safe because of his position and the secret service that surrounds him but......is he really? without "us" he can do nothing to ensure true change....if anyone believes different they have not been paying very close attention ...............

They control the message, the media etc, do you honestly believe that power is going to be given up so easily? What have we really done to stop them in the past or today? I guess I must have missed how all these criminals have already been convicted of what is fairly well known crimes committed by many in our own reigning and past governments............

He President Obama warned us...did we really listen? Doesn't seem like it to me..

who tanked the economy, led us into war by lies and deception, tortured human beings against all laws, both national and international, spied on the American people and so much more, being brought to justice.

If they were facing criminal charges now, as they should be, they would not still be operating against the interests of the American people.

But whose fault is that? What more can the people do than what they've done already, tell Obama this is what we want, accountability. But he says we need to 'look forward, not backward'. So it looks like we have to start by changing his mind before we get to the 'enemies'.

With liberals demobilized, its difficult for the usual suspects (leftists) to organize protests. It was easy to get liberals to protest what they perceived to be Republicans. It's hard to get them to protest a sitting Democratic president and a majority Dem congress.

Let's not let the infighting get in the way of this.

What happened to the well oiled machine that got him elected?


"do you honestly believe that power is going to be given up so easily?"

Where did I say that? If I believed that would I be crying out for a rally???

Nothing will get done if people keep playing that victim card.

Why wait for someone else to do it for you?

I think marches like this are useless, and I'd never waste my time on one.

It's pretty simple. If you want a march on Washington you go organize one, or work with a group that will try to organize one, rather than bitching at the rest of the world for not fulfilling your fantasies.

And for the record I just wrote to the national and my state organizers of http://healthcareforamericanow.org/ asking them to organize something that I and others can participate in. There, feel better? Or would you like to add nothing to the conversation again in your condescending tone?

Why don't you organize one? Again, why does somebody else have to do it for you?

Obviously not. No, you'd rather just dwell on the heading and act all pompous and self-righteous. Let's not get to the meaningn of the post, let's nitpick about something that has nothing to do with anything. And let's attack the poster without knowing everything they said. Good job. Did it make you feel superior?

More importantly, did it help the cause of health care reform?

Then why don't you go learn how to do so instead of castigating the entire world for not doing it for you?

If you read my post you see I also asked, "can we do it here" or something like that. If you read my other posts you'd see I am doing things for the cause and am trying to get involved in organizing. What the fuck are you doing besides trying to cut everyone else down? Seriously, get over yourself. And you might want to ask yourself if your posts are adding to or detracting from the goal of the OP, the goal of helping get health care reform. I can tell you they are not adding to it.

In short, stop being a Debbie Downer and go get some therapy if you need self-esteem.

I didn't have time to read your entire DU posting history prior to your ranting at me and everybody else in the world for failing to organize a march on DC, just for you, so that you can carry a sign and feel good about yourself for "doing something."

And you might want to ask yourself if your posts are adding to or detracting from the goal of the OP, the goal of helping get health care reform.

I'm curious as to what significant contribution towards health care reform you think your little tirade has made.

Seriously, you should think about it. You have added absolutely nothing of any merit. Boy the hypocrisy is thick.

Is it to chastise and belittle those decrying the present state of affairs? It surely would seem so...

Your response doesn't exactly lend your voice much credibility.

OP was decrying the fact that nobody had set up a march in Washington for him to attend.

I'll catch up in a minute!

I was thinking of going down the Sunday before Labor Day . . . Organized or not - I'll go stand by myself.

Don't know how it didn't come up before.

http://healthcareforamericanow.org

Anyone interested in getting something going please contact them and ask if you can help them organize another event!

And to all the naysayers who just like to piss on others, yes, I contacted them.

in support of health care insurance reform, phoning, letter-writing, meetings and such.

Because that is a right-wing, industry supported concept at the heart of the existing bill.

Obama says the plan won't work without forcing some Americans (80% of the uninsured) to buy
into existing private plans under penalty of fine -- they'd have to prove on their tax return
that they are insured -- a clear Constitutional infraction based on the umbrella protection
of privacy in personal health care decisions cited in Roe v. Wade. Remove that (in a court
of law, by arguing for the individual mandate) and you hurt Roe v. Wade and reduce the number
of liberties reserved (not granted to, reserved by) the people in the 9th Amendment. While
offering no actual alternative to for-profit health care -- certainly not one that they would
fine people for not embracing.

I have no patience for fucking centrist DLC dems (which Dean used to be) that support turning
a right, such as health care, into an individual mandate (which is the opposite of a right,
per any course in civics.)

HCAN - Take Action August - Fight For Public Option
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8590626

"group dances" it would get some airtime.

The Healthcare Reform Dance-a-thon

And many, like me are facing layoffs. Life has become a struggle just to make it through the day, much less have the luxury of marching clear across the country to be ignored in DC. Where do these people get the money to take flights, or drive and pay for lodging on the way? The Teabaggers have the luxury of being bused and probably being paid something for being such willing shills.

You could have answered your own questions if you'd stop to think about what the times are like. Prosperous America is a thing of the past.

without a fricken permit, blocking traffic! Every week Tue, Wed, Thurs, all Sept.

I live about 30 minutes from state capital in Nashville.

No one has felt any urgency until this weekend, but it's all coming together soon at a location near you. Unlike the antiwar rallies, this topic is owed coverage

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is in order!

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but the Dems keep their distance from them and I figure they are tired of the Dems.

I just started a thread with the same question. It is a mystery to me why we are so silent.

If we don't organize SOMETHING, maybe we don't deserve healthcare. Maybe.