hey..HEY!.. Sibelius did NOT say they were "ok" with no public option!!

CNN just played the segment again. I think she said.. "don't let this part of the discussion monopolize the discussion".

How has this been turned into a repudiation of the public option?

really?

Thanks.

Don't be fooled

so they will do everything they can to discredit it and promote health care reform without the public option.

I'm still nervous about Obama's commitment to the public option. We'll see what happens in the Fall when Congress returns to see what kind of bill is actually put to a vote.

so they'd rather blow something Sebelius said completely out of porportion than report on Obama's triumphant town hall meeting.

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rocktivty

Is there true reform without Public option?

I watched Sebelius and listened very carefully and what I saw/heard left me stunned.

and said the cooperatives would achieve the goals Obama is working for.

I don't care what kind of health care plan is implemented, including single payer, if there isn't adequate help for individuals to pay for it - it won't work.

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We just simply must go after the highest degree of cost cutting on the stuff that does not affect the CARE provided. That's VERY obviously the byzantine nightmare of Insurance Company bureaucracies that vary from company to company and even within companies claim procedures vary from state to state. This does not even mention the costs of ARMIES of attornies whose sole purpose is to deny claims. These are the things that our health care dollars are paying for IN ADDITION to having to pay for the rising costs of the care itself.

Health Insurance for profit is quite simply Socialism for Insurance Companies paid for with premium dollars and by SERVICES DENIED those who in Need.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/28/758698/-Co-ops:Rife-with-Corruption,-Mismgt,-Criminality.

Co-ops: Rife with Corruption, Mismgt, Criminality.

Grandma is on the roof.

People are not understanding the entirety of the program because all they're hearing is government public option. We have got to talk about everything. The most important part of reform are the subsidies and help for small business.

but this story is accurate. People are saying it's not true.

She said the public option is not the essential part of health care reform. She did not say it was being dumped.

ll work.

And without a Public Option, Cost Cutting MUST be in the area of SERVICES covered and it will have to be draconian.

Public Option will not be successful against Private if we can't get enough people into the Public Option pool and we won't be able to get them covered if PO isn't cheap enough and PO won't be cheap enough unless Costs are cut.

The whole thing is about cutting costs. Private has to show that it can cut costs enough to justify a "Mandate". How will they do that? Will it be cuts in services or administrative and other extraneous expenses that don't affect Care? Or will Private offer cost cuts that affect Care?

The question is what can cut costs the most; that's why Private, Co-ops or whatever are such a joke; they don't have the potential for cost cutting anything like a Public Option would and a Public Option that isn't Single Payer doesn't offer the cost cutting that Single Payer does.

I am a Single Payer supporter myself, BECAUSE it can cut costs way more than any other approach and , therefore, be most likely to expand services and coverage.

Any Public Option that doesn't cut costs to the max will end up not looking that good compared to Private, so people will stay with Private, Public Option won't succeed and all we will hear is "I told you so" as costs of care continue to climb under a Private system.

The way to counter it is to assume you're being dis-informed when it doesn't pass the smell test immediately. The truth may well be among the cuttings on the video editing floor of the MSM. In this age of instant information it is good to slow down the credibility response, by trusting your intuitive feelings about whether a story is true or not. If a story smacks of being out of character of what you know about the subject then chances are it is.

Look at what happened to support for Health Care Reform after people were saturated with images of planted opposition. It would seem to me that the stradegy worked, as it made previous supporters begin to doubt their own feelings. "But I saw it on the news!"

He has the leaders of Fact Check.org and the Henry J. Kaiser Foundation on there and they discuss how this is happening.