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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:49 PM
Original message
All the DUer's who vilified the DUKE Lacross players need to
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 10:41 PM by ScreamingWhisper
Apologize. There were some who wanted to let the system work, and some who wanted to rush these boys to judgment (some based on race, others for other reasons)
How does that rushed feel now?
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:51 PM
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1. there was someone on tv talking about this.....

who was it?
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:52 PM
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2. since I rarely watch network TV...would not know
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:52 PM
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3. I don't want to be the spelling police or anything, but it is "apologize"
Just for your info. :)
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. Thanks! I forego the spell check without thinking about it.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:52 PM
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4. Let's get Imus to host a talkathon to restore their image n/t
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:59 PM
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10. hmmm maybe because they are totally different issues?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:53 PM
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5. I didn't villify anybody, but there's a difference between "not guilty' and "innocent". n/t
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. The A.G. said these guys were "innocent."
Not "not guilty," "innocent."
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:06 PM
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14. Uh, no. n/t
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #14
24. not in so many words...but yeah.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0411071duke1.html
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:26 PM
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29. No, he said precisely those words. (n/t)
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Uh... yeah.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/cooper.transcript/
Based on the significant inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we believe these three individuals are innocent of these charges.

...

COOPER: Well, I'm telling them what I tell everyone in North Carolina. We have looked at the charges. We have looked at the law. And we have cleared them of all of these charges. And it is important to note that the Durham County district attorney is now facing ethics charges with the North Carolina Bar Association.


This is a far cry from just not pressing charges due to lack of evidence... the Attorney General of North Carolina is saying that these men did not commit the crime they were accused of. They are innocent.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:26 PM
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30. EXACTLY! n/t
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #6
38. I guess money can buy anything
Even a A.G.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. BULLSHIT!
It was a bogus accusation plain and simple. Get over it
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. Any evidence for that libel?
You're accusing a private citizen of committing a crime, so presumably you'd have some evidence of the accusation.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:55 PM
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7. I never thought they were guilty of anything.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:58 PM
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9. I don't have much use for elitist college kids paying for a dancer
then hiring a taxi to get a pizza afterwards.

A touch too rich and tasteless for my blood.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. nice to know...
but you're preferred lifestyle has nothing to do with other's lifestyles or the case as it was. To each their own.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:13 PM
Original message
I worked and paid my own way thru College
I certainly didn't have exotic dancers or taxis to pick up pizzas for me. For all we know, these rich kids folks bought off the witnesses.
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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 12:47 AM
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73. you don't approve of their lifestyle
so they're "guilty even if proven innocent"?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. I worked and paid my own way thru College
I certainly didn't have exotic dancers or taxis to pick up pizzas for me. For all we know, these rich kids folks bought off the witnesses.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:13 PM
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17. I worked and paid my own way thru College
I certainly didn't have exotic dancers or taxis to pick up pizzas for me. For all we know, these rich kids folks bought off the witnesses.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:18 PM
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20. As did I my friend.
I worked next to a pizza parlor, so made it easier for me. I was friends with frat guys (I was the art-freak, so it was unusual..lol) and they had their parties and they got raucus to be sure. BUT it was their choice how to spend their money (or more probable, the parent's)
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. When the evidence doesn't support your theory, just make up some crap
that isn't supported by any evidence either.

That seems to be the way it is for those who continue to believe the players did something beyond get drunk and hire a stripper.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
31. I'm still confused about - - - 'the evidence'...
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 10:27 PM by Breeze54
Today on the news, they said that they did find FIVE individual specimens
of DNA on the clothing of one of the girls. Was that true or wasn't it?
I've read and heard so many conflicting stories.... :shrug:

I guess all is moot, since the DA lied, at this point.

nevermind.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #31
45. The DNA found on the woman did not belong to any of the
accused.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. Ok...but
I thought that was DNA from attendee's at the party.

No??

Thanks for replying.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. No. The DNA found on the woman did not belong to anyone at the party.
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 10:57 PM by lizzy
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #57
63. Thank You for your patience, lizzy!
:hug:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #21
74. Now the parents could have paid off the witnesses.
Anything to avoid saying "I was wrong".
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Once was enough. No need to post it three times.
Mouse happy?

Bake
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #17
49. Since the charges were dropped because they are innocent
of those charges, I would say your speculation is totally without merit.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #49
59. The validity or the Iraq war is different than this case...
please don't railroad another differing discussion here
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #17
58. That's the sort of bigotry that belong on FR. You've targetted people of a different
income level for your disregard for truth or justice.

What a shame.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:59 AM
Response to Reply #58
87. Isn't it funny
to watch the reactionaries who wanted to see what they wanted to see to back up their sexist attitudes towards men. When they are wrong, they cannot justify, rationalize, dismiss or deflect fast enough. How hard would it be for them to admit they were wrong. They are as bad as the other extreme. This place reeks of extremist thinking at times.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:01 PM
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11. Some Did, Earlier - A Good Thing
It would be nice if someone apologized to ~me~ for all the crap I took on DU for pointing out that whole "innocent-until-proven-guilty, DNA-doesn't-match" thing.

Feh.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. I know...same here. BUT
There in my opinion should be some accountability, even with expressed opinions on a blog site. The whole "hit and run" mentality rubs me wrong. Those who made a point to castigate the accused should at least have enough chutzpah to say "Okay we were wrong, or at least jump the gun" but I don't see that occurring at all. it's a: "sweep it under and move along" mentality. grrr
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #15
56. I saw an apology or two posted earlier. n/t
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #11
50. I have noticed that when ever someone is accused of a crime, particularly
a heinous crime, that there is a contingent that always believes the accused to be guilty, and then they fantasizes about cruel and unusual punishment for the accused.

It's exactly that kind of gut group think reaction that got us into Iraq.

So, please, next time people, chill out and imagine that perhaps jumping to conclusions can have negative consequences.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:04 PM
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13. Appoligize [sic] to whom?
I never participated in any of those threads, but I'm curious why anyone needs to apologize and to whom.

Bonus question: What difference will it make?

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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. To acknowledge they were wrong.
Acceptance of recognizing they rushed to judgement based on their own reasoning.
No. It helps nothing in the long run for the boys accused, but it MAY help those who pre-judged's humility about slinging arrows.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:15 PM
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19. Who the heck are you to demand apologies from DUers?
Get over it!
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Ummm ...as a minimal level contributor of discussion?`
Sorry. Does that bother you?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #22
35. If you were to do a search there were a few threads started where
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 10:44 PM by cat_girl25
there were apologies. And a lot of them made their apologies in those threads.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Well, as I stated below. I'm a minimal contributor. I can watch from work
but the firewall prevents participation, and those threads that did offer apologies, I never caught on-screen.
If they did occur, Great!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:23 PM
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25. Don't hold your breath.
Seems a lot of people here think they "got away with it." Don't confuse them with the FACTS.

Bake
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. As I have noticed over the course of the day's threads.
I'm at a point I just had to commit to a statement I felt was true in my own heart.
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Treehugger_72 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Exactly...
O.J. 'got away with it', not these boys.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. Please don't try and train-wreck this thread with that mojo.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:28 PM
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33. i said all i care to about in a thread in lbn, i didn't comment on it at all when
the whole story broke, on court cases and legal matters i tend to wait it out and see how things develop, maybe it's from watching court tv for years. I have zippidyfingdoodah to answer for on this matter.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:28 PM
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34. Absolutely They Do.
But I fear many won't.

Problem is, the mark of true decency and character is standing up and owning up to such wrongs, especially when done against innocents.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. OMC, our beloved DU has taken a turn for the worse. Far worse.
And you know it in your heart. You and I have been around here for a long time, and it wasn't always like this.

There's precious little decency and character here anymore. It's hardly better than "that other site."

I've never seen such willful blindness to facts as I've seen here lately.

Bake
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #37
61. This is one of the times in which DU is just a mirror version of FR.
And I don't like it.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #61
65. I don't like it either. A whole lot.
But every time I think about leaving, I remember how it used to be and think, "I'll just be damned if I'll give it up to these punk-ass freep types."

But JC ON A TRAILER HITCH it pisses me off!

Bake
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:41 PM
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39. Hell, I still not only have doubts about what really happened,
I think the guys are kinda sleazy, rape or not.

As for all this hand-wringing about "how will they ever move on?"...

They are rich kids on a sports team at one of the biggiest and most widely recognized Universities in the South.

They're gonna be just fine.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. not true my friend
accusation and allegations like this can haunt a career for many years. For instance: An institution or corporate environment very heavily weighs their applicant thru background checks. On their record, if they should have gotten an internship or position due to GPA or other areas..they automatically go thru an advisory board to access them as being a liability
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. yeah, drunk driving and going AWOL really sunk Bush, didn't it?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #47
64. So you think
that somebody being accused of rape is the same as drunk driving. That is really misguided. Rape is a much bigger accusation to have to deal with than drunk driving. Jeez.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:21 AM
Response to Reply #64
82. meh, there are gonna be people who go out of their way to hook these guys up
not only because of the "good ole boys" networking that keeps people like them in power, but also because they proved that enough money can fix anything
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #47
69. I thought the drunk driving attack was bullshit
Back in those days when the offense originally occured DUI wasn't considered that egregious of an offense. Furthermore, given that he didn't hit anyone or anything the attention given to the violation was overkill when there were more legitimate points to attack Bush over.

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:19 AM
Response to Reply #69
81. exactly my point
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #39
68. If society mirrors some of the attitudes posted on this board
I doubt that they are necessarily going to be just fine.

There are people on this very thread who still imply that somehow the "rich, white boys" someone gamed the system and got away with something even when all evidence points directly opposite.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to live under that perpetual cloud of unreasoned, unsupported judgement.

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:22 AM
Response to Reply #68
83. so you don't think the millions spent on defense and local intimidation of the accuser had anything
to do with this?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:43 PM
Response to Original message
41. Some people here just hate affluent fratboys
Don't get me wrong, I think fraternities and sororities are useless, but that doesn't mean their members deserve to get their reputations destroyed for something they didn't do.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. They never went to trial
The very rich often do not.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Oh get a clue. The charges were dismissed because
they were innocent of the charges. Are you suggesting people innocent of the charges should go on trials in this country?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. Isn't that what hearings and trials are all about?
:shrug:

Without a trial or a hearing; who the H knows wtf happened!

"The charges were dismissed because" because the DA withheld evidence.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #46
55. No. The charges were dismissed because they were
innocent of the charges. I guess you don't understand how the legal system works. To bring someone on trial prosecutor needs to have evidence. In this case, AG declared these individuals to be innocent of charges.
It had nothing to do with DA withholding evidence.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #46
60. No.
Trials are for when there is a reasonable belief that the accused committed a crime; the purpose of the trial is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused committed the crime.

The charges were dismissed because there was no factual basis for the charges being filed.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. I understand what you're both saying...I think...
;)
but it seems that in the USA, it's the innocent having to prove they're innocent!
Instead of the other way around. What I meant was, how can they be determined innocent
without any hearing or trial? Just because someone says they're innocent...but as Lizzy
pointed out above, they didn't have DNA evidence of the accused; and the DA lied,
and that's why the charges were dropped.

Can you tell I haven't been paying enough attention to this issue?? :rofl:

I was concentrating on other issue's. ;) Thanks to you both.

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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #62
77. ok , apology accepted
I mean isn't this the most important issue in the world today?:P
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #77
79. Muhahuwahahahah!!!
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 02:37 AM by Breeze54
:rofl: It's been a tough day.

Thanks for the late night laugh! :rofl:

Apology, my ass! ;)

BTW? Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #46
66. I can't believe I have to say this!
You don't go to trial if there's not probable cause to think that a crime occurred. That's not what trials are for.

It's sort of, like, in our Constitution (to say nothing of our legla traiditon all the way back to, oh, the Magna Carta). You ought to read it sometime. BASIC CIVICS 101.

Bake, Esq.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #66
78. ____
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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #46
76. you don't go to trial unless there is enough evidence
to prosecute
the only trial now would be the 5 innocent accused suing the previous DA and the court for defamation , etc.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:55 PM
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54. the very innocent often do not...either except maybe in your world nt
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Bluedogvoter Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 12:05 AM
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72. Give me a break.
They should never have been charged. The evidence so strongly pointed to no rape it was ashame Nifong manipulated the grand jury the way he did. Heck, it should be criminal what he did and it may just have been.

This woman turned out to be a liar by her own admission. If you are truly interested in justice you would retract your statement.
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index555 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 01:02 AM
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75. If it was a white stripper
who falsely accused 5 black college basketball players , would you be so quick to rush to judgment?

It was a false accusation , her story was never the same twice , and the DNA evidence proved that she was never "contacted" by anyone that was at the party.

they were railroaded by the media and the previous DA.
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ScreamingWhisper Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:53 PM
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48. I've said what I could. My battery on the laptop is going south
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 10:54 PM by ScreamingWhisper
I can pick this up later. Not meaning to ditch the conversation...just battery life till re-charge
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 10:55 PM
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53. Yes I'm happy that Gregg Marmalard and Neidermeyer were exonerated
by Dean Wormer. As somebody who would never have gotten a degree at all except for the GI bill and working 2 jobs and having a wife working at the same time and going to a public university you'll have to excuse me if I fail to pity these elitists. I never was able to afford to hire a stripper for any party I threw, hell, I was rarely able to afford beer. So, yes boo hoo, I feel sorry for these kids as they walk into 6 figure jobs at Daddy's firm. If ya think that's reverse classism, tough shit.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 12:04 AM
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71. So because they were rich and white there was nothing wrong with being falsely charged with rape?
Please do the world a favor and excuse yourself from any possible jury duty that you may be called for in the future.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:38 AM
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85. Only about one in three rapes are ever even reported
Of those, maybe half go on to trial, and in even fewer instances, there is a conviction.

This bullshit smacks of little more than the typical woe-is-the-white-guy shit, that all these women are really just little sluts trying to shake down oppressed upper-class white males for money by falsely accusing them of rape. People like you are the reason that women are afraid to even report rape happening.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:45 PM
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67. oh...dear
who should the apology be made out to? you?

since we are now keeping score, I'm owed at LEAST 10 apologies by DU for all the times I stood out on a limb and was vindicated...

I'll make you a deal: I won't cash in my apologies of you won't!;) :think: :nopity: :nuke: :hide:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 12:02 AM
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70. At least three threads of apology this afternoon. "Search" is our friend.
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 12:07 AM by blondeatlast
:hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=626828

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=626835

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=628147
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:47 AM
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80. apologize to whom?
If one were to do a search, one would see that I defended the Duke players against those that vilified them, so I have nothing to be sorry for. But even if I did, why in the world would I apologize to a message board?

Your request reminds me a bit of McCain and Brownback each stating that they'd still appear on Imus because they accept his apology. WTF? Who are they to accept Imus's apology? And, analogously, who are you to demand DUers apologize for stupid comments about somebody else?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:34 AM
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84. Yes, I'm sure their lives are "ruined"
I mean, it's so hard for the genteel upper class whites to get good-paying jobs after graduating Duke. They'll probably just joke with their new buddies at the firm about the whole issue.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:42 AM
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86. Who are they going to apologize to?
This is a message board where people voice their opinions. Some believed they were guilty, some didn't.

Some people already apologized on this board last night. Others will not because...they don't want to.

What are you going to do if they don't? There's not much you can do.
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