Carville: Let GOP kill health care -- then run against them

Carville: Let GOP kill health care -- then run against them

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/carville-let-gop-kill-health-care/

Democratic Party strategist James Carville offered up a new strategy for Democrats to follow in their battle to reform health care: Let the GOP defeat it, then defeat the GOP at the ballot box.

At a roundtable discussion with Republican consultant Mary Matalin and host John King on CNN's State of the Union, Carville argued that if the Democrats can come up with an agreement that is supported by most Democratic members of Congress, they should let the GOP filibuster it, thereby killing health care reform and effectively painting the Republicans as being the party that opposed fixing the system.

That, Carville implied, would backfire on the GOP in upcoming elections.

Carville is a horrible strategist. He needs to stop debating his wife and just go away.

obstructing because they are really Republicans taking payoffs from all the corporations who are blocking real health care reform.

killing health reform.

if we could get more real dems in there could we get a stronger billin 2011? Such a strong win that we could put it into effect almost immediately.

I'm just rolling it around in my head ... thinking out loud, as it were.

:shrug:

They arent concerned about doing whats right for the average American, their only concern is whats in it for their political goals.

So, what's the plan? Lose on a vital issue when you're in power, then hope the issue gets addressed after you put your power up for the toss?

Unwise.

Without a public option, the bill will only make the situation WORSE.

and the blue dog dlc corporate owned replacements of the ousted GOP will block all sorts of reform.

I hate the neo-cons, but I hate the triangulators even more.

I don't want to have a majority just to have a majority. Electing more blue dog bastards isn't going to help get anything done.

It may not be bolstering to one's dignity to come out on top of a face-saving, finger pointing, poo flinging fight, but it is still better to survive them when they happen than not to survive them.

That said, I doubt the value of Lizard Man's advice on the grounds of possibility/impossibility. It would be nice to blame this on the GOP and beat them up with it in the midterms but i don't think it can be done. Democrats are in control of the House, the Senate and the White House. They own this debacle outright. The People will not be deceived on this point.

How many people have to die before/if we get it right after "upcoming elections"?????

Uhhhhhhh.... Carville's plan would have been logical if shrub was still in the WH. But we have a Dem Senate NOW, a Dem House NOW, and a Dem President NOW. This is NOT the time to begin a new chess games with the GOP... didn't we just checkmate the Party of No in the 2008 election???? Isn't the time for change NOW??? What the hell is Carville waiting for???

Yeah, I'm talking to YOU, you artificially bald idiot whose head is so far up the butt of the DLC you haven't smelled the coffee for years, YOU.

Carville, the GOP won't be blamed if Congress wimps out again, they're not the majority. Everybody knows they're assholes and that's why they were voted out.

The DEMOCRATS are the majority party and the DEMOCRATS will be blamed for Congressional cowardice.

Remember 1994, asshole? That was the last time a Democratic majority fucked up the reform of the health insurance industry. You can expect a repeat of that as Democrats stay home in 2010 rather than vote for a bunch of spineless do nothings who reneged on all the promises for change that got them into office.

You've been warned. History has a nasty habit of repeating itself, and trust me, it will.

makes me wonder if we really care about people's needs and lives even

Was it just a political tactic or was there genuine care when we set out to do this?

fart smella that hairless, alien humanoid looking, creole som'bitch Carville is. Seriously Carville, go bite the big one, would ya?

The Republicans are making it absolutely clear. It is
the Democratic Party. The Blue Dogs will not vote for this
bill.

The Bill was killed because 24/7 the Democrats were not
out there refuting the GOP Claims.

To an observer they looked ineffective. No one ever
came out explained clearly what was in the Bill.

Obama had no bill to explain. He had to talk in Generalities.

Americans will see this as incompetent on Democrats part.
Worse yet the Media already does. That is why they "turned
on Dems and Obama"

GWB came in with an agenda and got his agenda passed.
The Media may not like GOP agenda, but they respect
the fact that they get things done. The Democrats have
a way of stepping on their own feet.

If the bad bill passes, things will go so wrong that
the Democrats will get thrown out for screwing things up.

Sometimes it is better to table an issue let tempers
cool down and start over.

election issue. Another example of "I've got mine, so it doesn't really matter".

that might be an interesting strategy, but there are people out there who are suffering right now. They can't wait for help while politicians continue to play their stupid games. I suppose people like Carville just view them as collateral damage in the political war for power.

People are dumb, but they ain't THAT dumb.

They'll know who fucked up the health care reform "moment" and none of your Lizard Man tricks are going to get the Dems out of this one.

Way to play politics, Carville. :thumbsdown:

The Democrats would be left with few options given heavy opposition from Blue Dogs and Republicans.

Of course, as an ordinary voter, I'm screwed, but that's been pretty much a daily occurrence as far as politics go. The country shits on the working class.

didn't have to cart his dragon lady along.

what's the point of having the Dems in charge if we just have to let the Repugs defeat everything we want them to do? Carville's kind of an idiot or way too much of a pragmatist. Besides, the GOP will find some way to spin the defeat of Health Care Reform to their advantage. It's what they do and unfortunately, there are far too many people in this country stupid enough to fall for it.

If they can't pass HCR NOW, they will NEVER be able to pass it.

It is right in that democrats easily can blame republicans for the failure of health care reform, but it is wrong to think that it would harm republicans in the upcoming elections. Far more members of the Party of John Wilkes Booth will be motivated to vote against health care reform in 2010 than the number of voters voting in favor of it. Discouraged or disappointed voters never turn out in the numbers that motivated evil voters do.