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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:44 PM
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Lack of Blacks at National Parks Worries Ranger

Lack of Blacks at National Parks Worries Ranger
Only 1 Percent of Visitors to National Parks Are African Americans


America's national parks have a quiet power and an arresting beauty, but to Yosemite National Park Ranger Shelton Johnson, they also speak the truth.
PHOTO Park Ranger Shelton Johnson hopes more minorities will visit national parks
America's national parks have a quiet power and an arresting beauty. But to Yosemite Park Ranger...

"They tell the story of us as Americans," Johnson said. "They tell the story of ourselves as human beings, in this world, on this planet."

Johnson is one of the country's few African-American park rangers, and his is a rare face of color at Yosemite because less than 1 percent of visitors to the national park in California are black.

"There's not a shortage of African Americans at Disneyland or Disney World," Johnson said. "But when you visit these wild places, like Zion and Arches and Yellowstone, that's when you start seeing less cultural diversity."


http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=8341029&page=1
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Jeep789 Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:24 PM
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1. Never thought about it but now that he mentions it
I think he is right and that is really sad. I always notice lots of visitors from other countries.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:06 PM
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5. one of my most vivid vacation memories is of a German guy at the Grand Canyon
bermuda shorts, sandals, and black socks, hopping over the guard rail and going right to the edge to get a picture. All the while singing "Home, Home on Ze Range."
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:33 PM
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2. I think its more an economic issue than cultural
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 08:34 PM by DJ13
When I was a kid my parents took me camping nearly every weekend, and there was no shortage of various ethnicities there.

But that was when the park system was a mostly free service, no admission, no "reservations" for camping a year or more ahead of time (thats a crime as far as Im concerned) and a camp site was .50c a day.

Camping shouldnt require an American Express card.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:29 PM
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3. Even today camping is still much cheaper than the Land of the Mouse
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:09 PM
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6. You dont need a reservation a year ahead of time at Disneyland
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:11 PM
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7. Its also the instant gratification thing. Easier to drive to Anaheim and just spend money.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 11:13 PM by ProgressiveProfessor
And there is no racial angle to that inclination

There are free campsites all over the Kern Valley. No reservation needed. RVs to tents. 3 hours from LA. There is also no reservation camping at Lake Isabella. If people want to camp its still out there and cheap.

As for me, I live remotely in what some would call a cabin...I camp every day.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:36 AM
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18. there are plenty of national parks where you can have the place practically to yourself
find the ones off the beaten path, or go to the popular ones in the offseason. They're there, and nobody's being shut out. As one of the other posters said, it's still cheaper than Disney.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:15 PM
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8. Ummm... why can't it just be that maybe black people don't enjoy camping?
Why does it have to IMMEDIATELY become an issue of "economics" as if black people can't afford to sit in the damn woods for a weekend?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:23 PM
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11. That can't be a reason. The National Parks have some of the best
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 11:23 PM by Cleita
lodges as well as dining and comforts as anywhere, or you can camp if you like the whole experience. The only thing missing is TV and other wired in things like that and internet.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:53 PM
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4. It's the racist trees.
:dunce:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:19 PM
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9. Well, the Obamas should be changing all that..I hope so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8588894

They're in the Grand Canyon today..should have pics tomorrow.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:20 PM
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10. In my other life I worked in and visited many National Parks and other
wilderness areas and noticed that as well. It's strange because Asian visitors are very much in evidence and love vacationing in those places. But I'm not even going to point a finger at blacks as much as Americans in general. There are so many European tourists as well that they outnumber the white Americans. I think Americans, white or black have been propagandized to go to places like Disneyland and Five Flags, instead of the most spectacular places in this country.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:26 PM
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12. I've never been to any of the national parks.
I'd be bored. I'd rather go to Disney World.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:56 AM
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20. I don't know about other parks, but there's a ton of things to do in Yosemite.
And at night if you don't want to make your own camp fire, there are presentations all over the valley floor plus activities at the hotel.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:19 AM
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23. I've never been to Yosemite but I camp several times a year all over
this great state of California. There are, indeed, spectacular things to see and great things to do... swimming in the crystal clear waters of the Yuba, hiking to the waterfalls in the El Dorado forest, basking in the cascading water of the Feather, watching the sea otters off the bluffs of Big Sur, canoeing in the Russian River, rafting in the Klamath, hiking in the hushed fairyland of redwood groves, rolling down the magnificent dunes of Morro, lying on the banks of river at night with my friends, drinking bourbon and gazing at the billions and billions of stars move across the sky.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:27 AM
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24. We used to take the boys camping for a few weeks every year
and I always hated having to go home. :)
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:30 PM
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13. Probably because every time they do go camping we all stare at them and say,
"Howdy. Yanno, we'll don't git too many black folk out here." (Continue staring...) :)

Seriously, I think wilderness activities/interests are something you pick up from your parents and peers. For me, it was family campouts and boy scouts. So, black people aren't going to just happen to start camping until there's a critical mass of early adopters - which is why outreach programs at parks and schools as well as organized activities like scouting are important. As a backpacker myself, it's troubling when a large chunk of the population is unrepresented, since that's a big chunk that won't be as drawn to voting for outdoor issues like protecting access or supporting parks...
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:39 PM
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14. I guess we should force them to go.
:sarcasm:
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:20 AM
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25. Hey, cut it out folks. If Blacks dont want to go to the parks thats more open space for me. nt
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:21 AM
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26. Hey, cut it out folks. If Blacks dont want to go to the parks thats more open space for me. nt
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:21 AM
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27. Hey, cut it out folks. If Blacks dont want to go to the parks thats more open space for me. nt
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:21 AM
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28. Hey, cut it out folks. If Blacks dont want to go to the parks thats more open space for me. nt
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:43 PM
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15. What if it is that the economy hurts them the most?
Just a question. I have seen black folks at parks, like the Grand Canyon. But they just don't go "oooh... aaah..." like the white folks do. They see a big hole in the ground and don't think much about it.

I don't know, culture, maybe?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:23 AM
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17. City folk kind of thing, not limited to one race. A lot like swiming
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Orangeone Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:19 AM
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16. I can't get to a lot of parks

because i don't drive...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:50 AM
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19. An activity like camping is something one inherits from one's parents and/or ...
... something one's circle of friends and family do. Even being in Scouting doesn't carry forward. It's a cultural lifestyle and if it's not something ANY of your friends and family do, then you won't either. It also requires an investment, to some degree, in camping equipment, no matter how one camps. It's not just a matter of packing a suitcase and checking in.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:04 AM
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21. self delete
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 02:31 AM by Quantess
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:05 AM
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22. I have noticed this before
The only parks I've seen black people at were the Everglades and the Dry Tortugas. :shrug:

I agree with the people above that it's probably cultural. I was raised to go camping, and I feel bad for kids who neverr got to go when they were little.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:28 AM
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29. are schools with mostly Black kids less likely to visit national parks than schools with mostly
white kids ?

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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:56 AM
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30. I don't know of many schools that take field trips to national parks n/t
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:58 AM
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31. my elementary school went on field trip to Catalina Island
not exactly a national park but i'm thinking it wouldn't be unusual. especially if the park is near the school as CI was to my school at the time.
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