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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:31 PM
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Salon: "I have 2 college degrees, sold a book to Random House, & clean strangers' toilets for money"


http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2009/08/17/pinched_golden/

Excuse me while I stick my head in the toilet

Ever wonder what it would be like to clean strangers' homes for money? Well, I don't have to

Editor's note: Pinched is an ongoing series about life during the recession.

By Rebecca Golden



A tiny, pale woman with a baby on her hip greeted me. She looked at once exhausted and imperious. She'd just come back from three months in New York, and her husband hadn't cleaned anything – he never so much as wiped the kitchen counter during the 90 days he spent alone in the condo. He didn't tidy up after shaving and left tiny pieces of hair on every surface. I could probably have braided the bathtub had I but time and inclination. (That tub alone made me want to kill myself just a little bit.) I instantly regretted giving my quote over the phone, but I’d given my word. And that’s how I ended up spending Sunday on my knees in front of someone else’s commode.

I clean strangers' toilets for money. I have two college degrees, and I sold a book to an overseas division of Random House. The money hasn’t come rolling in (though I pray to Oprah on a regular basis), so I clean houses as a way to pay the bills between royalty checks.

This toilet was particularly brutal: It mocked me with all its nasty human feces stains and the dusting of wiry black hairs around the base. White surfaces and human hair have become the bane of my existence. Hair clings to the outsides of toilets like Romeo to Juliet, Brad to Angelina, or me to the strawberry vodka and cranberry juice that this work makes me crave.

My college friends have prospered, and they worry about investments. The last guy who dumped me (“I can’t do the boyfriend-girlfriend thing,” he told me as we snuggled together in bed) drove three hours to Columbus so he could rescue his money from Charles Schwab. As I detail the rim of the bowl with a toothbrush, I think about Barack Obama.

I went to see him speak just before the election. Funny how politicians love to visit Ohio in the fall every four years or so.

“Your 401K might be a 101K,” he quipped. “The question isn’t, Are you better off than you were four years ago? but, Are you better off than you were four weeks ago?”
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:39 PM
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1. Oh, this poor lady -
she really should have a talk with her literary agent, or her editor at Random House's division where she sold her book. If she's struggling so, she apparently got almost nothing as an advance, and if that's the case, there won't be a whole lot of promotion put into her book, which means it most likely won't make back the advance.

Royalty checks? The situation suggests that she's never going to see any royalty checks. I hope I'm wrong, but she should have gotten an advance that would have made her comfortable enough to have the time to write another book. Not have to pawn her gold necklace or work as a cleaning lady.

Damn, this is a sorry, sorry story................................
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:51 PM
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3. in all fairness, Tangerine, I've found that advances, while great augmentations to income
...the years they happen, do not allow -- on their own -- one to stay home and write.

Of course, your advances might be different than mine. ;-)

I have found however that it's been possible to find writing-connected gigs (journalism, creative writing teacher) to fill in those between-book troughs...

I don't think it's ever easy, short of writing "Twilight."

And doubly never-easy, in a sandblasted "economy" like ours....
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:55 PM
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5. To be sure,
it's an impressive feat for a first-timer, having sold a book to a big publisher.

I think you and I dwell in different realities. My agent is one who thrives on large amounts of money, and who am I to argue with her? She's done very well by me.

But I also know that I'm in a rare situation and very lucky.

People who expect to make money just from writing are living in a dream world. And you're right - there are a lot of other gigs for writers, but, again, unless you're connected, either with established writer friends or a really aggressive agent, landing those jobs is almost impossible. Especially for a first-timer.

I got the sense that this writer is pretty young - mid-twenties, I guessed.

It's hard out there, that's for sure. The publishing business has been contracting for the last ten years, dammit.....................
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:09 PM
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8. I think even a certain Mr. Percy had a college teaching gig, yes? ;-)
Hopefully, my new agent will start to take after yours!

But yes, the entire business -- and its models -- is changing in front of our eyes... Time to imagine multi-part novels-- a la Dickens -- for the Twitter/Facebook age?
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:32 PM
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15. Dr. Percy -
and, yes, he did all sorts of things, but not for economic necessity. He was a trust-fund baby, which gave him both immense freedom and, of course, great guilt. He gave a lot away.

Wouldn't that be wonderful, to have serials come back? I would do that in a heartbeat. Talk about an easy gig!

You have to have an agent who's connected and competitive. Mine has been at it for about thirty years, knows EVERYONE, and does more business over one lunch than most other agents do in a whole week behind a desk. Sometimes she scares me, but she does her job so well.

For movie deals, I'm represented by UTA, and my introduction to them came when my literary agent sent a ms to a man there, and he flipped. I knew nothing about the outfit - I knew nothing of the entire business - and when she assured me by saying "They're known as 'the shark agency'," I knew I was in good hands.

Those are the people you want leading your stuff into battle. I can only imagine that their lives are very difficult right now. My agent and I talk about personal stuff when we talk. It's easier.

It's brutal out there, villager. I hope your new agent is hungry......................
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:10 AM
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53. To call journalism a "writing" gig is being kind...
...There are lots of journalists out there whose writing chops aren't too hot and good writers who don't make good journalists. They both use written language but there are a lot of differences.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:52 AM
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60. well, perhaps I'm an idealist?
;-)

That might explain my presence on this board...
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:44 PM
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2. My wife cleans houses for a living.
And I hope that elitist shithead graduates to pumping crap out of portapotties.

Someone has to do these jobs, and NO ONE should be above a day's labor for a day's pay.

Fucking yuppie scum.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:57 PM
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7. Pretty much what I was thinking. nt
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:45 AM
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23. Same here
I worked day care and later I was a nurse. I have cleaned up bodily fluids galore. I loved every moment of it.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:22 PM
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9. I've cleaned my share of toilets and urinals.
The worst was a huge pile of runny baby poop that spilled out of an overflowing diaper. Lovely.

She needs to suck it up. At least she's earning something.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:24 PM
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10. The woman who won't clean her own toilet or the disabled woman she hired to do it for her?
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 11:25 PM by REP
Any able-bodied person who can't clean their own shit out of their own toilets is the problem, not the woman doing it and writing about it.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:27 PM
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14. Nailed it!
shoulda read yours before I posted mine. Maybe just maybe this experience will give this entitlement baby sdome perspective in the future of what real work actualy is.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:34 PM
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17. Every outfit needs a latrine queen.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 11:50 PM by TexasObserver
That was the term we used in the military for the person in charge of keeping the latrine clean.

Your wife is great, and your comments are spot on. There's nothing wrong with working at any work one can get, and cleaning homes is a good business.


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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:06 AM
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19. thank you:
"NO ONE should be above a day's labor for a day's pay."

I remember not so long ago when I was younger and had a "People like me with an advanced degree in whatever should NOT have to do x,y,z..." attitude like hers...Of course there was no head-slapping reality like the post 9-11 Bush economy...
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:16 AM
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20. I know a couple of masters degrees that are working 'menial' jobs.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:58 AM
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28. you now know one more...
i used to up until recently when i finally got a job as a secretary...
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:45 AM
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24. Bingo. n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:25 AM
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39. I've always said
if I ever have to clean toilets to make money, I'll clean 'em better than anyone :D

You are correct: there is no shame in honest work.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #39
44. Yep. I'm surprised anyone has to say that.....
:hi:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:19 AM
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47. i fucking hate yuppies
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:57 AM
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61. This was my reaction too cliff
Some people do open heart surgery and some people clean toilets and they are both worthwhile respectable jobs.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:59 AM
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62. Didn't you know
That's a job that "Americans won't do"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:52 PM
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4. This shd be itneresting
:popcorn:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:57 PM
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6. It has always amazed me that many of those who have the most money, give so little
value to the work of others. Fortunately, I have known many "well-off" people who were happy to pay a fair price for work performed. Then, on the other hand, I've known a lot of tight-fisted, rich assholes.

Great story.

Recommend.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:25 PM
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11. Cry me a river
Whats wrong with cleaning toilets? Its honest work. Something actually gets accomplished.

The culture of looking down on manual labor in this country sickens me.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:26 PM
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12. Did you read the piece?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:35 PM
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18. I did now and its worse than I thought.
She not only thinks her job is not worthy of her but all of her clients are pieces of crap as well.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:32 AM
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21. She has 2 degrees, and she does housekeeping to make ends meet.
And you can't understand her bitterness and disappointment..?

Don't misunderstand, I know there are millions of crestfallen, underemployed college grads. I am one of them. Am I also bitter and disappointed? You bet!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:40 AM
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22. No I cant
She could stop waiting on royalty checks and get a job teaching in a heartbeat. Its not a huge paycheck but its a fairly decent one and she could be making a difference in kids lives. Instead she is chosing to clean peoples houses and bitch about it.

There is still a huge demand for teachers even in this economy and with her two degrees it wouldnt take much to get a job as an english teacher.

She can be bitter all she wants but she is chosing her path it seems to me and bitching about it at the same time.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:50 AM
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25. Maybe she isn't cut out for teaching.
Maybe she is like me, who is not really meant to be a teacher, and knows it. I tried teaching, both elementary and High school, and I'm not that good at it (I'm terrible at crowd control). Not everyone can teach successfully.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #25
41. certain jobs are callings
teaching, nursing - your heart has to be in it
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:41 AM
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45. Exactly. My heart never was in teaching, but because of my major that's where I ended up.
I am actually good at the teaching part, but I'm so bad at keeping them focused.
Now, I'm trying to figure out my next career path. And I have $30,000 college loan debt. So, I have empathy for the author of this article.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:50 AM
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26. Experienced teachers are getting laid off right now due to budget cuts.
Most colleges aren't hiring and she'd need to go back to school for a year to get her credential to teach K-12, and still might not have any luck.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:59 AM
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30. Yes, I was going to say that teachers are getting laid off in my state,
and in many other states as well.

What are the requirements to teach in college? I know that a high level of education is expected. This woman says she has 2 degrees, which could mean a BA/BS and an MA/MS or 2 bachelor degrees. Those might not be enough to teach even at community college, depending on the subject. And besides, maybe she's bad at teaching.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:14 AM
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35. At the community colleges here a lot of the adjuncts just have their masters.
Permanent faculty that I know of all have a PhD. Adjuncts don't get paid jack shit and most of them teach at more than one school to make ends meet. But I assume it's better than cleaning toilets.

If she's any good at teaching tutoring can also be fairly lucrative for those who are willing to promote themselves and drum up business.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:11 AM
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32. Still lots of jobs
http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobs/list/t-english+teacher

But thats only one example of something she could do. My point is she is chosing to run an add for houscleaning on craigslist then bitching about the people that hire her. Yes its a tough economy but you arent owed anything because you got a degree, nor do i have an ounce of sympathy for you when you are chosing what job you are willing to do. She is making the conscious choice to clean toilets then trying to look down her nose at those who employ her.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:53 AM
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46. Should she make the "conscious choice" of being a college professor, or better yet, a bank CEO?
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 01:54 AM by Quantess
Is that "The Secret"?

You assume that she could easily find a much better job. Are you living in the US? I live in Oregon, where unemployment is very high, and wages are noticeably down.

If she doesn't like housecleaning, I suppose with her 2 degrees she could just as easily find a job stocking shelves at the supermarket, or doing telemarketing.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:50 AM
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49. She should chose whatever she wants
But when she choses whatever it is looking down her nose at her clients does not make her noble.

"The secret" is letting go of the material things and not getting hung up on what you dont have but appreciating what you do.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:13 AM
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54. Yeah, right. That philosophy worked in the 1980s and 1990s when opportunities were increasing.
Is the secret working for you, still?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:16 PM
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65. Every day
But then I do what I love not what makes me the most money.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:20 PM
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68. If she's whining about toilets, I don't want her as a teacher.
Teaching is hard work. This idiot isn't cut out for it.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:11 AM
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33. I imagine not too many people think cleaning toilets
are a worthy job.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:15 AM
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36. We all make our choices i suppose
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 01:15 AM by Egnever
Why should i care about the choice she made for herself and worse why should i be subjected to her arrogance about the people that hired her from an add she chose to run.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:54 PM
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66. and yet they expect a clean shitter everywhere they go
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 02:57 PM by Maru Kitteh
How convenient for ivory-tower elitist assholes that the working people of the world are there for them to scrub their poop-stains away AND make them feel superior.

Edit to add:
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:26 PM
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13. Dupe
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 11:26 PM by REP
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maglatinavi Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:32 PM
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16. cleaning, etc.
Have friends thar clean homes and are very prosperous...it is just another job... Kudos to them!
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:12 AM
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34. Looking down on manual labor
managed to help her sell a piece of writing.

Not sure how much Salon pays, but at least she gets a byline.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. Just goes to show
theres a sucker born every minute.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:52 AM
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27. I have 2 college degrees.
I've also shoveled horse shit out of stables, jack hammered asphalt, and dug 5 foot deep trenches for underground conduit in the 110 degree Arizona heat.

Fuck that author...I can't stand a whiner. No one guarantees us a fucking thing in this lifetime. Hasn't anyone heard of the term "building character?" Sounds like the author of that little boohoo-fest still has a lot to build.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:03 AM
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31. Yep. Perfect.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:30 AM
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58. Amen.
I've worked my way up from fast food, construction shop-hand (the ultimate bitch-job), administrative desk assistant, now I'm an engineer. If my wife or I were to get laid off, you better believe I'd be looking for another job and thankful for getting it. Cleaning, landscaping, fast food, grocery bagger... whatever.

I've always held that life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you perceive/deal with it.
I can't stand people who think they are too good for some stuff.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:59 AM
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29. I have a law degree, 25 years of practice and I'm
trying to figure out how to score a farming gig.

Short of getting divorced, I mean. :-)

If something doesn't shift in the next 3-4 months, we may be doing the Iowa-LA separation routine for a while.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:22 AM
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38. Salon hearts the great unwashed
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 01:22 AM by foo_bar
I'm sure I sound like one of those tender-pawed yuppies who shops at Whole Foods and buys $15 grilled salmon salads and $9 cups of prepackaged butternut squash soup prepared fresh by Wolfgang Puck's foodie minions, eats it all in one sitting, then laments that her grocery bill is too high.

But that's not me, my friend -- although I sometimes wish it were, as I drop a boneless pork shoulder the size of a handbag dog into my slow cooker. No, I'm just a regular, middle-class chump with a sizable mortgage and a husband who's hardly saved anything for retirement and a toddler who drinks organic milk and a stepkid who wants to go to college and two dogs who require almost monthly visits to the vet. Once I considered myself (as so many of us do when we're young and stupid) destined for a life that bordered on glamorous. I'm not saying that I believed with all of my heart that I'd be wealthy or that I felt entitled to huge tracts of land, but really, who knew? I figured I might meet a dashing young heir in line at the taqueria one day, and the next day I'd be flying off to the South of France to dip my toes in the crystal blue Mediterranean while nibbling on fine wine and really good cured meats and aged cheeses. These days, though, I'm old and I need a haircut and all I really want is a good recipe for black bean soup. <...>

This picture might seem sort of droopy and pathetic to some of my friends, who would feel as deprived as Haitian boat people if they couldn't afford their regular $70 bottles of Erno Lazlo moisturizer. But honestly, I've found my newfound role as recessionary coupon-clipper oddly soothing.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/04/18/recession/index.html
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:29 AM
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42. Belief in the American Dream is at the root of
a great deal of problems in our current society/economy.

How pissed off would we all be about our current situation if we knew that it would be permanent.

Instead we placate ourselves with various escape fantasies -- selling the great American novel, writing the killer screenplay, starting the next Google, winning the lottery, inheritance . . .

If we felt resigned, consigned to our current situations maybe we would stand up and do something about it, like the French workers who sat in at their bankrupt employer's plant until the bank agreed to terms. But, soothed by the dreams of a better day, we tolerate all kinds of abuse.

<<I'm not saying that I believed with all of my heart that I'd be wealthy or that I felt entitled to huge tracts of land, but really, who knew? I figured I might meet a dashing young heir in line at the taqueria one day, and the next day I'd be flying off to the South of France to dip my toes in the crystal blue Mediterranean while nibbling on fine wine and really good cured meats and aged cheeses.>>
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:04 AM
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52. The French workers have been known to hold their bosses hostage.
If American workers tried that today, we would get a harsh introduction to reality, with SWAT teams and guns drawn.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:32 AM
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59. If 'mericans tried that, they'd get shot before the cops even showed up.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:45 AM
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48. That lady wouldn't clean toilets, though.
Only if her life depended on it.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:25 AM
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40. Well we are taking a beating financially sending out daughter to college
It's not looking down on labor to say that nobody studies that hard or pays all those tuition bills to scrub toilets!
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:33 AM
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43. Today's economy
is a good time to start asking oneself if going to college to get a better job is all that it's cracked up to be.

In my opinion, the main reason college is pitched so hard is to be sure and get everyone saddled with student loan debt before they even start working, so they will be enslaved to the system right from the beginning.

Now, if a person is going to college to learn classics, and critical reasoning, and perhaps a foreign language or two, or even higher mathematics, that's a different story.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:50 AM
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50. Wonder what field(s) the degrees are in.
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:16 PM
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67. I was curious so I researched it a bit.
She has bachelor's degrees in print journalism and US history. (http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090222/ART02/902210302)
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:58 AM
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51. Boo - FUCKING - hoo.
seriously
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:29 AM
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56. You've fallen on hard times, too, huh?
Sorry about your predicament.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:15 AM
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55. Hmmm...
I do not have a degree and at this point in my life probably never will.
I have had some crappy jobs in my life and all it takes is telling yourself "I'm not going to do THIS anymore."
Without a degree I was still able to work thru temp agencies as a legal receptionist
and even as a fill-in legal secretary (after 2 hour/8 week classes) and as a temp in fortune 500 companies.
I worked in some of the most luxurious offices in Dallas and Houston and pinched myself every now and again wondering how on earth I ended up where I was.
If she as able to type well enough to write two books, has a large vocabulary, knows how to compose a resume` and has decent enough clothes to be presentable in an executive office then she ought be able to obtain a position which would pay more than cleaning commodes.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:25 AM
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57. this thread was one of the stranger reads i've had on DU. nt
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:07 AM
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64. Yep. I agree.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:05 AM
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63. Maybe she should have just sold her book, instead of going to college for two degrees.
If I read correctly, her book is a "memoir"? What did she have to learn to write that?

Sounds like she needs to keep her fertile imagination peppered.
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:26 PM
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69. I was going to write a thread about
how I have struggled in the arts for over 25 years. Finding some success in recent years. But with this near depression economy there is no money for my work and though I know I need to get a job outside of my vocation, I am finding it near impossible to find anything I can even apply for.
But the lack of empathy on this thread has given me pause.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:26 PM
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72. I am right with you--
For those of us who have spent many years struggling to make a living in the literary, visual, or performing arts--the current financial climate is really tough.

It scares me silly to look through the job ads and realize many of my skills do not translate into money any longer.

Good luck in your endeavors.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:15 PM
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70. And here I thought my job sucked.
It does, but not that bad. So I suppose I ought to be a little bit grateful for my piece of shit job, even though I know I am better that it.

I truly understand her bitterness. I have a MS in science (which took me 7 years to get) but my employers in their infinite wisdom keep turning me down for better jobs. Not only that but I apparently cannot even do things that are "not in my job description" even though I am well qualified to do them. Analyzing data or writing papers (for my employer mind you, not for me) I would have to do ON MY OWN TIME, even though it is for them, because it is not in the narrowly defined job description.

So, yes, I am pretty fucking bitter at the way things have turned out. Straight A's and I am doing the lowest of the low jobs at my employer with apparently no hope of advancement because (despite a Masters degree in the field) I am "just" a technician.

But it's better than cleaning houses. I barely even clean my own so obviously not a career path for me.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:25 PM
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71. Maybe she is just not good at her chosen profession
No degree guarantees a job or that people are going to pay you for inferior work.
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