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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:12 AM
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How many in the "angry mob" do you think actually has health insurance?
Has anyone met a freeper without health insurance who actually opposes health insurance reform? Any of these retards have any good reasons why they personally oppose reform measures than will tangibly make their lives better?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:17 AM
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1. I do, an acquiantaince, he does not have health insurance
has a slew of medical problems, would never qualify for it right now... but does not want the guv'ment involved in it since it is socialism.

Another one, I have not seen in years, wife has all kinds of issues, they don't have it, but keep them gov'ment types off his health care and taxes non existent since he can do better with his money.

Of course, from video a good percentage have guv'ment insurance (medicare) but gosh darn it they either don't know that, and yes it is possible... or they are willfully ignorant, most likely. They also do not want their medicare affected, in any way, shape or form.

Suffice it to say, the first two... I have not seen one in years... but I know what he thinks since we used to have discussions on this, the other told me this recently. My answer was, how exactly will things get worst for you if you finally get insurance? Lips flapped... no sound came out.
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NNguyenMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:24 AM
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2. thank you for sharing, those people sound delusional!
Maybe too many people have lived in this world where healthcare is a privledge so long that to think otherwise seems too alien.

What a shame.

I work at a large county hospitalin a large metropolitan city, when I first started 2 years ago 95% of my patients were undocumented, or impoverished. In 2 years I would say that a fifth of the patients I see now are patients who are middle class and have lost their health insurance. If they own property, they will be sure to lose that too if they expect to get any more care from county facility.

Some f---ing world we live in.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:33 AM
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3. Just an f---ing country we live in.
Other countries in this world take better care of their people.

If this health care thing falls apart because of these absolute fools and tools, I bet other comparable nations, such as Canada, Sweden, England, France, Spain, etc... have record applications from Americans who are sick of the nonsense and are getting out while the getting is good. People who can secure employment in other countries will go. Honestly, during the general election and since, I've spoken to all kinds of people (friends, acquaintances, perfect strangers,) who have said, in varying degrees of passion and sincerity, that if McCain were elected, they were out of here. Quite frankly, if 20% of the country can ruin health care for 80% of the country, I don't see why those same people who would have left under a President McCain would be sticking around now.

This country is beyond circling the drain. We're down the drain.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:22 AM
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9. Partner and I have been having that discussion - between health care
reform going down in corporate fanned flames and our civil rights being put up to a popular vote ever freaking election cycle, we're seriously evaluating where we'd like to move
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:37 PM
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13. they are not delusional, and that is the problem
to them you are delusional. This is what happens when politics becomes a sport where you pick teams.

They are team members and so are you...

Now I concluded a long time ago that I cannot, could not, talk politics with some Americans... period... in fact, this is becoming more and more the rule, regardless of what political side.

That said, they are the victims of propaganda, then again there is a point about neuro research and how politics looks like the reaction to religion under an MRI. SO if politics IS a religion... take it from there.

Oh and think how you could focus your political propaganda if you can use the brain and this research.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:37 AM
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4. What gets me is the line that healthy people don't need insurance
You hear this all the time as a talking point on CNN and other corporate media outlets.

"People who are perfectly healthy and they choose not to buy insurance" ... blah, blah, blah ....

Have these idiots never heard of accidents? Car crashes? Contagious diseases?

Every sick person was "perfectly healthy" the day before they got sick.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:50 AM
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5. They oppose it because
Faux news told them to.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:10 AM
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11. also because the illegals will get it..... they don't want any illegals getting it.
i have family that are convinced the illegals are all on medicaid. i am guessing they never applied for public assistance, because I specifically remember on the application where you have to show you are a legal citizen. Now, a pregnant woman who applies for a special program for pregnant women I do think does not have to be a citizen, but I could be mistaken... but that is a program to ensure a healthy baby more than for the mother.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:43 AM
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6. I find myself wondering how many are employed by or retired from
the insurance industry. Do they get their current paycheck or their retirement check from an insurer? Do they have a son or daughter working for insurance people? After all, we are a service economy now and insurance is a service.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:12 AM
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7. remember they have been convinced that things are going to grow significantly worse
if they really believed that they would not lose their current benefits, then they would not be nearly as emotional.

But once again, the R's have beaten us at the media game. Their continued hammering of "socialism", "death panels", government in control of your health", "bureaucrats making health decisions", "long waits", "declined care", and "escalating debt" has seniors truly afraid that their health insurance is at risk.

Just because you think their lives will improve doesn't mean they believe that.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:23 AM
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8. Why aren't they angry that in a few years this will be like 40-50% of the GDP
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 04:24 AM by TheKentuckian
and by then almost no one will be able to afford it. We'll just be digging a hole keeping seniors taken care of.

How is this not more than anything a national security issue and a clear and present danger to the United States? How can we can function with that much of our personal and government budgets paying for nothing but healthcare and social security.

We cannot allow these people's dogma to destroy our country.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:12 AM
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12. because all they see or hear is that this will cost $1 trillion dollars. now,
how much have we paid for the iraq war??? but not a peep from anyone. NOW they are concerned about the cost. Now, for some reason they aren't looking at how much insurance will cost over the next ten years if we do nothing... and i can bet it will be a lot more than $1 trillion dollars.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 06:03 AM
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10. I have a friend
who works at the VA and her husband and their 5 kids are covered under her family insurance option she gets there as part of her benefit package. However they are some of the youngest you will see at the Town Hall meetings.

She is the only conservative that I have spoken to that sticks to the subject when it comes to insurance reform. Her view is that government should exercise greater control and regulation over insurance companies first (prevent them from excluding people d/t preexisting condition, from denying benefits, cap malpractice ins.premiums etc.). She feels that they are trying to do too much too fast. Not that I agree with her -- but she is entitled to her opinion. She does want health reform. She says there is a lot of waste in the VA system and does not want to go down that road with a similar public health plan till they fix what isn't working at the VA. For example, there are two people in job descriptions over her that just check up on her work-- they don't really add to patient care. Perhaps if they got their over-credentialed asses out there on the floor, it would not be so short-staffed and she would be able to get all these new "pt. shift summaries" done in a timely manner-- maybe have to do only 7 instead of 14.


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