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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:20 AM
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"The Wizard's First Rule: People are stupid;
given proper motivation almost anyone will believe almost anything."
— Terry Goodkind (Wizard's First Rule)

When Obama and others in the WH say that the Public Option is "not the most essential" element in the HCR bills, they are not saying they are willing to drop them. They are trying refocus attention on other aspects of the bills. "Look at the other parts of the bills, don't you want this?"

Obama has repeatedly said he will not sign a bill without a Public Option. His admin has repeatedly said "nothing has changed".


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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:24 AM
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1. You've kinda missed the point.
You see, at DU, there are people who are forward thinkers with positive "can do"* attitudes. And there are others who never stop to read, think, analyze, or reflect. They spend their days screaming at the tv and spitting at the computer screen.

Most of us get what you're saying. The rest aren't interested.


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*aka "yes we can"
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:36 PM
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14. hence the reference to the Wizard's First Rule.
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 05:36 PM by johnaries
;)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:30 AM
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2. Has he repeatedly said "I will not sign a bill without a Public Option?"
If he said that, I missed it.

If he said that, is it possible that he has changed his mind? Sounds to me like he has changed his mind on that, if he did say it.

:dem:

-Laelth
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:33 AM
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3. You missed it.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:44 AM
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4. Perhaps. Without a link, I can't be sure.
But, presuming you are right, can you answer my second question? Isn't it possible that he has changed his mind on that?

:shrug:

:dem:

-Laelth
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:46 AM
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5. Link please
He has never said that.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:28 PM
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12. He did here.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Weekly-Address-President-Obama-Says-Health-Care-Reform-Cannot-Wait

It still seems to me that he is backing away from this position.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:27 PM
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11. Indeed. He said it on July 18, 2009.
Link here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Weekly-Address-President-Obama-Says-Health-Care-Reform-Cannot-Wait

The President said, "That’s why any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans – including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest – and choose what’s best for your family."

My bad. Sorry.

It does appear that he may have changed his mind, however.

:dem:

-Laelth
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:47 AM
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6. Obama NEVER ONCE SAID
"he will not sign a bill without a Public Option."

HE NEVER SAID IT!!!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:54 AM
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7. OMFG!!!!1111one
Then the exact opposite absolutely must be true!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:03 AM
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8. When an OP puts up a blatant LIE
I will call them out on it.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:16 AM
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9. Have you, in any of your posts on this, created the impression that the public option is dead?
That's the impression I've gotten.

And, Obama has many times stressed the importance of the public option.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:54 PM
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13. You know what he did say though
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 12:54 PM by Winterblues
"Beginning on Day One" ..."One Brigade a Month" .... I guess he says whatever he feels like at the time and then does whatever he wants. :shrug: sort of like a Politician.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:44 PM
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15. Link -
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/obama-demands-the-bill-i-sign-must-include-public-option.php

ny plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:29 AM
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10. Then his HHS Secretary is among "the stupid." nt
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:48 PM
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17. Go back and watch the interview again.
As one administration official said - Sebelius didn't misspeak. "The media misplayed it".

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/administration_official_sebelius_misspoke.php
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:47 PM
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16. Andy Kaufman knew this 30 years ago.
80% percent of this country actually believed he was wrestling women - picked randomly out of an audience on SNL.

Everything I know about American politics I learned from Andy.
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