I think Obama is purposely trying to piss us off to get a reaction...

Think about it. We've all been sitting back, laughing and watching the psychos on the other side at the town halls. They have had the emotional upper hand, even though there are more of us than there are of them. That's all the press could talk about - what crazy shit is some winger going to do next?

Well, guess what? Time to piss off the base to get us to show that we really want it. He wants us to up the emotional ante. That way he's justified in spending some serious political capital on the issue.

He knows damn well what we want, he just wants us to show some passion and resolve. We need to outshout the crazy fuckers on the other side.

Remember, there's more of us than them.

You know what to do.

:bounce: :bounce:

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Do you want social change or not? That's what this is about.

Which is what this seems to be turning into.Change You Can Believe In....if you can find any.

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Tell to someone who has an up or down vote or suffer in silence. They've been pretty damn loud on the other side and we've been relatively passionless.

but what is the evidence that when he does all kinds of things that anger progressives, he then turns around and fixes it?

I can't think of any.

He is always going to anger progressives, to some extent. His job is to be President of the entire country. He said so in his victory speech, and I think he truly believes that.

Even Dennis Kucinich would piss off progressives. There is not a progressive majority in this country. He is taking major political risks by doing this so early in his term. He's banking his entire Presidency on it.

He already said he is willing to be a one term President to pass meaningful health care reform.

I see no evidence of him going back on his word on anything. Perhaps he has not lived up to some progressives' hopes and projections of what they want him to be.

direction.

And if he makes a wrong move, lots of people will die.

When I voted for the Democrats I expected them to support their own party platform. I didn't expect them to have another referendum by phone, e-mail, letters and town hall shouting matches. They're going down in the polls because they aren't following through and people are feeling betrayed. I have a life and I have no intention of spending all my time trying to win the second referendum. I've written my Democratic senator. I'm not going to do it over and over, again and again until I'm blue in the face. I voted for them and I expect them to follow through without constant pestering. Is that too much to ask?

All we have done is give our side a small upper hand. When things are this divided every single House and Senate vote is a referendum.

Conservatives believe that they will have lost the country if they give in to public health care of any kind. This has only just begun.

that would never have voted for him in the first place.

He just went on vacation, and he changed the subject on his way out the door. Now he's got Howard Dean out there saying that there is no point in voting for anything without a public option. All of a sudden we're having to make the case as underdogs again, exactly the right place to be. Instead of looking like he's forcing people to sign on to some draconian government requirement, he now has his minions out making the case.

It will work.

Because I am feeling really down right now...

He just changed the subject. He just took away the fire of the idiots on the other side. There's plenty of time to work back to the real goal - public healthcare. This time, however, he's got his minions out there making the case from the underdog position, starting with Howard Dean today. Now he's not ramrodding into a crowd of screaming psychotics. He's calmed the debate and given us back the soapbox just in time to go on vacation. This is going to be a long process.