I don't get the birther controversy, wasn't McCain born in the Panama canal?

NNguyenMD

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:38 AM
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I don't get the birther controversy, wasn't McCain born in the Panama canal?

No one questions his citizenship. I thought as long as your parent was a US Citizen so were you. Even if Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, he's still a natural born citizen because of his mother. Whats so controversial about that? By the standards of this mob, McCain shouldn't have been allowed to run for president either.

SO WTF IS IT WITH THESE PEOPLE!!!

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ixion

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:39 AM
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1. Ah, I see your problem: You're trying to use facts and logic

which matter not to the birthers and their ilk.

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SomeGuyInEagan

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:39 AM
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2. Bill Maher on birthers

"Lou Dobbs said recently 'that people are asking a lot of questions about the birth certificate.'

Yes, the same people who want to know where the sun goes at night and where to put the stamp on their email."

- Bill Maher
Real Time With Bill Maher 7/31/09

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NYC_SKP

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:40 AM
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3. "IN the Panama Canal"? Well, that explains a lot.

crazy talk = hydrocephalus.

:P

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MineralMan

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:41 AM
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4. I didn't know they were doing water births so long ago...

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brendan120678

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:41 AM
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5. Because according to the U.S. Code at the time...

Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 10:43 AM by brendan120678

If you were born in a foreign country, and only one of your parents was a U.S. Citizen, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 5 consecutive years after reaching the age of 16.

Obama's mother was 18 when Obama was born. Therefore, according to the law at the time of his birth, if he was born outside of the United States, he would not have been granted automatic U.S. Citizenship.

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Warpy

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:48 AM
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7. She went to Hawaii to go to college, didn't she?

She was a Kansas girl before then.

Hawaii became a state in 1959.

The birther reasoning is just as convoluted and just as wrong by that standard, too.

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brendan120678

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:57 AM
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8. Yes...Obama was born in Hawaii, so it doesn't matter.

I was just pointing out what the law was at the time that President Obama was born.

If a person was born in Kenya to a Kenyan father and an American citizen who was only 18 (and therefore had not lived exclusively in the United States for 5 consecutive years since turning 16), that person would not automatically have U.S. citizenship.

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Warpy

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Mon Aug-17-09 04:06 PM
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12. That means that all women married to foreign nationals

who were under the age of 21 when they had children didn't produce US citizens if they gave birth overseas.

I have to wonder why the law was written in such a patently insane fashion.

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RoccoR5955

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:42 AM
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6. What I tell the birthers is

that the US Constitution stipulates that a candidate for President must be a natural born citizen. McCain is not a NATURAL BORN US citizen. In order for him to be one, he has to be born in the US proper. Not of US parents, and not in a territory.

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Webster Green

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Mon Aug-17-09 10:57 AM
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9. There's nothing to get..

It's incoherent babbling by racist cracker assholes who are watching history leave them in the dust. :rofl:

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JonQ

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Mon Aug-17-09 11:01 AM
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10. Not exactly the same thing

both mccains parents were american citizens and he was born on a US military base abroad. I've been trying to find the law dealing with that, but I'm at work and limited at the moment.

We have provisions for children born abroad to service personnel on american bases, it wouldn't do to denounce them all as foreigners and not let them return with their parents.

Not that obamas citizenship controversy is rational, just that there are substantial differences between the two.

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ProgressiveProfessor

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Mon Aug-17-09 11:57 AM
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11. It turns out there is legal language in place about what natural born means

Its an interesting read if you are so inclined.

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Skidmore

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Mon Aug-17-09 04:17 PM
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13. My cousin's grandson

was born overseas, son of a military man stationed in Germany and deployed to the first Gulf War. He was born shortly after his father was deployed and the family has lived all over the world as part of his dad's service. This young man applied for college and his birth circumstances are being used to deny him admission--told him he doesn't have the appropriate birth certificate. I can see this sort of BS rapidly becoming the mechanism by which all sorts of people are discriminated against, especially when states budgets are strapped for cash. Oh, and he lives in one of the southern states.

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