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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:51 AM
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Take Metformin? No health insurance for you!
Insurers shun those taking certain meds
How health insurers secretly blacklist those with certain ailments.

BY JOHN DORSCHNER
jdorschner@MiamiHerald.com

Trying to buy health insurance on your own and have gallstones? You'll automatically be denied coverage. Rheumatoid arthritis? Automatic denial. Severe acne? Probably denied. Do you take metformin, a popular drug for diabetes? Denied. Use the anti-clotting drug Plavix or Seroquel, prescribed for anti-psychotic or sleep problems? Forget about it.

This confidential information on some insurers' practices is available on the Web -- if you know where to look.

What's more, you can discover that if you lie to an insurer about your medical history and drug use, you will be rejected because data-mining companies sell information to insurers about your health, including detailed usage of prescription drugs.


Miami Herald

How is an insurance industry "solution" going to help these Americans if they won't insure them in the first place?

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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:55 AM
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1. k&r for reality. Knowledge is power. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:56 AM
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2. knr. Thanks for posting this. Insurers are there to avoid paying claims.
It's quite the scam they've developed. We can do sooo much better!
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:06 PM
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3. I'm actually for a single-payer solution, but ...
... even the "insurance industry solution", as you call it, has provisions that would prohibit private insurers from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:24 PM
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6. The recent credit reform act however shows just how creative business is in response to restrictions
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 01:24 PM by Gormy Cuss
and the insurance companies are expert at treading the line on legality. They'll just find new ways to deny coverage.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:13 AM
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13. Except for one very common pre-existing condition--age
The useless shitstains can double premiums for older people.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:09 PM
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4. Crap. I take Metformin and I would be so screwed if I didn't have insurance through
my husband. Its obvious they want people like me (healthy at 33 aside from the diabetes) to die. I am not even overweight and diabetic so they wouldn't be able to slam that at me either. This is disgusting.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:17 PM
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5. Insurers shun those taking certain meds (Miami Herald unearths Guides to Medical Underwriting)
This Miami Herald report from March, 2009 is a window into the scam that is Big Health Insurance.


The information in this article prompts a call for Rachel Maddow and her investigative reporting, for THESE are some of the names that should be tied to this absolute fraud on the public. Aetna. Humana. Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida. VISTA. Coventry Health Care, which owns Vista. Wellpoint. Assurant Health. Blue Cross Blue Shield of Nebraska. (How about a comment, Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska?



All of this information certainly would be useful in driving the current discussion on whether to jettison Big Insurance from our health care delivery system, wouldn't it?




Insurers shun those taking certain meds

BY JOHN DORSCHNER
March 28, 2009


Trying to buy health insurance on your own and have gallstones? You'll automatically be denied coverage. Rheumatoid arthritis? Automatic denial. Severe acne? Probably denied. Do you take metformin, a popular drug for diabetes? Denied. Use the anti-clotting drug Plavix or Seroquel, prescribed for anti-psychotic or sleep problems? Forget about it.
This confidential information on some insurers' practices is available on the Web -- if you know where to look.

What's more, you can discover that if you lie to an insurer about your medical history and drug use, you will be rejected because data-mining companies sell information to insurers about your health, including detailed usage of prescription drugs.
These issues are moving to the forefront as the Obama administration and Congress gear up for discussions about how to reform the healthcare system so that Americans won't be rejected for insurance.

It's especially timely because growing numbers are looking for individual health insurance after losing their jobs.

.....

The problem is, material available on the Web shows that people who have specific illnesses or use certain drugs can't buy coverage.

''This is absolutely the standard way of doing business,'' said Santiago Leon, a health insurance broker in Miami. Being denied for preexisting conditions is well known, but when a person sees the usually confidential list of automatic denials for himself, ``that's a eureka moment. That shows you how harsh the system is.''

A 50-year-old Broward County man, with two long-standing medical conditions, saw the harshness for himself when surfing the Web trying to learn why insurers kept denying him coverage. He was shocked to find several insurers' instructions to sales personnel, usually called the Guide to Medical Underwriting and often marked ``confidential and proprietary.''

''I think it's atrocious what's going on,'' he said. ``Basically, they're taking only the healthy so they can get the fattest profits. If you really need insurance, then you can't get it.''

.....

The Miami Herald asked several other major Florida insurers -- Aetna, Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida -- for copies of their underwriting guides. All refused, saying they contained propriety information and were confidential.
Searching the Web, The Miami Herald found underwriting guidelines for Coventry Health Care, which owns Vista; Wellpoint; Assurant Health; and Blue Cross Blue Shield of Nebraska.

Among the health problems that the guides say should be rejected: diabetes, hepatitis C, multiple sclerosis, schizophrenia, quadriplegia, Parkinson's disease and AIDS/HIV.


.....

COVERAGE VARIES

Insurers have different criteria. Sleep apnea and fainting for no known cause are reasons for denial for the Nebraska plan, but not for other plans. Vista doesn't want to cover severe acne, but other guides seen don't mention it. Insurers often use measures of body mass index to reject those who are too heavy or too thin.

For cancer, the key is how patients have been doing in remission. Wellpoint, a national insurer, rejects applicants who have had breast or prostate cancer within the past five years. With other types of cancer, 10 years must have passed. Assurant Health, based in Milwaukee, rejects most patients whose cancer has not been in remission for at least eight years.
Other reasons for automatic denial by various companies: alcohol-related problems of people who have not been abstinent for at least six years, chronic bronchitis, severe migraines, and a cardiac pacemaker installed within the last two years.

Some insurers will automatically reject applicants who are using certain prescription drugs. Wellpoint denies anyone who within the past year has taken Abilify and Zyprexa for mental disorders as well as Neupogen, which is used to treat the side effects of chemotherapy. Vista lists the anticoagulant Warfarin and the pain medication Oxycontin. Both companies list insulin.
The medications, of course, are indications of specific health problems. To make sure that applicants are not lying, insurers hire a data-gathering service -- Medical Information Bureau, Milliman's Intelliscript or Ingenix Medpoint.

Intelliscript and Medpoint do computerized searches of a person's drug use, gleaned from pharmacy benefits managers and other databases. The two companies say they comply with privacy laws. ''Ingenix requires each Medpoint client to obtain the authorization of the individual applicant or insured person,'' said Ingenix spokeswoman Karin Olson.

Last year, the Federal Trade Commission accused both companies of violating the Fair Credit Reporting Act by not offering to provide consumers with information about them. The companies agreed to settlements in which they promised to let people see their personal information.




Somehow, all of this conjures up sharply-pointed memories of John Poindexter and Total Information Awareness.




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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:59 PM
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7. There are several possibilities:
- require insurance companies to accept all applicants, with no pre-existing-conditions exclusions;
- have a proactive, viable public option; or, even better,
- enact a single-payer system.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:08 PM
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8. Oh man ..... I'm fucked. But I already knew that.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:29 PM
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9. The data mining is disturbing in that
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 02:35 PM by juno jones
there is no guarentee that they are even reporting YOUR record as opposed to someone with similar personal info.

When I lived in IL and had healthcare for my pregnancy, I had to keep a hawkeye on my docs and records because there was (surprisingly enough, as I have an uncommon surname) a woman born almost a year before me whose only difference in name etc, was the spelling of the middle name and her SS# which was different by only a few digits (both born '63 in central IL). I even had to fight a billing of hers that was put in my name mistakenly.

If your doppelganger has any outstanding health issues, is your insurance company going to look closely enough at the mined data to find the discrepancies? Or are they just going to drop you and make YOU go sort it out at some later date?

On edit: I'm increasingly reminded of the infamous 'no-fly list'...
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:52 PM
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11. That is a very important point.
The information they gather is likely to not be subjected to any sort of verification, and mistakes are bound to happen.
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Footay Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:43 PM
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10. I take it
Scary for me because I take Metformin and I'm not diabetic! I take it for the treatment of PCOS.

Do you know how many times I've had to tell medical personnel that I'm not diabetic? When I switched doctors, I had a nurse berate me for not having recent blood sugar testing. She didn't believe me.

If I have this much trouble locally, imagine how one looks on paper.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:58 PM
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12. My best friend takes Metformin because she's trying to have a baby.
She's not diabetic, she has Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, the most common cause of female infertility. Metformin is commonly used to treat it.

I'd hate to see her unable to access health care later in life because some pencil pusher looks at a list of drugs she's taken and assumes she has a "preexisting condition" with no relationship to her actual health concern.
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