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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:07 PM
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"WTimes Hypocritical Obama-Nazi Slur" by Robert Parry (8-17-09 Consortium News)
"One of the ugly ironies in the Right's depiction of President Barack Obama as Hitler and health reform as a plan for Nazi-style euthanasia is that the owner of the Washington Times, which has pushed this line of attack, has had longstanding ties with World War II-era Nazis, neo-Nazis and rightist 'death squads'."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/081609.html

It looks like it's time for another American RW-NAZI thread DU.

What do you think?
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:16 PM
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1. The Nazi thing from either side of the aisle is horseshit.
Would be a good thing if more folks on both sides knew both Holocaust survivors and former Nazis. Nobody's getting euthanized, and Obama is about as far from Hitler as they come; in fact, as an intellectual and minority--even in superior health--Obama would have been among those targeted by the Hitler regime. And the right--as much as I absolutely loathe their moralizing without even the slightest underestanding of ethics--are not Nazis, by far. This Nazi card is way over played; it lowers the bar and diminishes the debate.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:36 PM
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2. How about fascists-like those Michael Ledeen "Universal Fascists"-it's here, but not totalitarian.
I've met both Holocaust survivors and once worked for a former SS man that was "helped" to create an automobile dealership empire in Wisconsin.

I've literally fought neo-Nazis in places like Skokie, Madison, Milwaukee-do a DU google search on my user name to see where I'm coming from...
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:39 PM
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3. And that has what to do with our president/his policies or anyone with substantial rightwing power?
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 01:40 PM by Heidi
I don't need to google your DU username to have faith in your genuinely-held position. I'm just telling you that "Nazi" is a term thrown out far too readily from both sides, very likely diminishing the experiences of those who died at the hands of -- and survived- the Nazis.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:44 PM
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5. How does identifying Nazis who ARE Nazis diminish the experiences of those who suffered?
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 01:45 PM by Liberation Angel
Yes when it is applied to progressives trying to save lives it does. But when it comes FROM those who proliferate Nazi slogans and ideologies, then it is calling it what it is: Naziism.

That PROTECTS those who would be victims and HONORS those who suffered by NEVER LETTING THE NAZIS and their minions GET AWAY WITH THEIR EVIL AGAIN!
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:55 PM
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7. They'd very much love this sort of power and notoriety. Shall we flatter them as they wish to be
flattered? I'm thinking, "Nope." Monitor them, but don't drive them underground where they'll be far more dangerous than they might be in the light of day. Never again really does mean never again.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:15 PM
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8. Drive Bush and Cheney underground? Calling them Nazis flatters them?
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 12:15 PM by Liberation Angel
Calling them out and exposing them exposes them to the light of day.

And if people are proud to be known as Nazis that makes it all the more easy to watch them and catch them in crimes against humanity (which is the real M.O. of Nazis)
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:41 PM
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4. I have to disagree with you Heidi
Never ever forget that the republican party has at its base a fascist Nazi wasp supremacist elite.

There is nothing horseshit about that nor is it overplayed.

It is hardly ever played at all.

When we "forget" about the Nazi heritage of the Bush/Cheney operations entities and corporations and banking ops we lie to ourselves, to each other and to our children and future generations.

Parry is damn RIGHT o keep his eye on this ball and to keep OUR eyes on it.

Glad this was posted and K&R

NEVER forget what the Shoah was about: necrophilic racist insanity and greed run by WASPs (or Aryan/Anglo/Nordic/Americans) to destroy all culture and HUMANTY FOR THE PROFIT OF THE VERY FEW.

That is what we are seeing raising its ugly head once again and we cannot slough it off as "lowering the bar" or "diminishing the debate"

It IS the debate and the bar has been lowered BY these nazi-fascist operatives.



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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:53 PM
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6. I recommended the OP, too, and I agree it's very good to keep one's eyes open.
But if the right wishes to flatter themselves as having anywhere near the power as the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, we need to meet their claims with laughter, exposure and an iron fist.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:19 PM
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9. Actually the extreme right IS the Fourth Reich and has far more power than Hitler ever had
and they are just as sick and depraved.

I am with the exposure and the iron fist , and I guess ridiculing them as idiots (as was Hitler) may not be unhelpful.

But we should not laugh when hate and murderous insanity raises its head and threatens our country and our children.

As a pacifist I say we must use peaceful means to stop them --- but I am also a believer in self defense to protect the helpless (i.e. force is only justified to prevent greater violence to innocents)
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