Cops Tazer Child 19 Times Leaving Him in a Coma

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=6873


The Tazers have to go. This is just plain evil.

perfectly.

up to 200+ times, the fucking nazis.

I'll be trying to shake that image the rest of the day. :cry: :cry: :cry:

"It was an accident."

Disgusting!

Notice that this is happening nearly every day? They're tasering or otherwise assaulting our most vulnerable citizens?

The "it was an accident" thing was sarcasm. Considering how up front I am with regards to how disgusting I find this behavior, I didn't think the tag was necessary.

even if it seems obvious to you. Online communications are too easily misunderstood -- no facial expression or tenor and little in the way of emphasis.

No excuse for it.

I think that by this point it is demonstrated that cops cannot be trusted with tasers.

I don't see how can one justify letting them have firearms.

:shrug:

There have been instances of police departments 'requesting' certain members to take a day off, the behest of the SS before the president arrives at an event.

I'm kidding, but I wouldn't put it past some of them.

if they could get away with it. But they know that they couldn't, at least not with him.

is that they let cops inflict punishment without having to explain the bullet holes. If they are truly in fear of their lives, let them use the gun.

A weapon of absolute last resort, and requiring a mandatory investigation.

and the use of the tazer is not in question at all? I am not sure of the order of events, but might not having a broken back cause somebody not to be compliant of police orders?

This misuse of tazers needs massive monetary damages against the police to stop this kind of practice.

I have a 20 year old son who was stopped by the police because he didn't drive away immediately after the light turned green. He was looking down at his cell phone and didn't notice when the lights changed. They pulled him over and said that he looked like he was passed out. While my son was getting out of the car, the cop had his taser out and kept yelling "Hurry up or I'll taser you!" They proceeded to search the whole car and found nothing and my son passed all the sobriety tests. My son begged them to give him a breathilizer and the cops refused. He still got a citation for drinking.

plain and simple, even if they hadn't threatened him with a taser.


welcome to DU! :hi:

So distracted from driving that he didn't even notice the light had changed. Staring so intently at his phone he looked like he was passed out at the wheel.

Maybe you should have a talk with your son about proper driving etiquette.

The young man pulled over should file a formal complaint.

I hope the police stop everyone who looks passed out at the wheel, and doesn't respond to changing traffic signals. If that person is being squirrelly and uncooperative, I hope they threaten to use the taser. You have already given them ample reason to suspect you are up to something.

I don't run around dressed like the hambugler, and get pissed when people hide their cheeseburgers. Don't look like you are passed out at the wheel, unless you want to be treated like someone who has done such.

:wtf:

shouldn't get pulled over on suspicion of DUI?

that once they pulled the kid over and determined that we wasn't impaired, they should have issued a warning to stay alert while driving, and sent him on his way.

My opinion is that they better have had a really good reason to search the car if he had no obvious signs of impairment.

My opinion is that the fact that the cops refused to give him a Breathalyzer test when requested, and STILL gave him a citation for drinking, is evidence of harassment pure and simple.

And that's just scratching the surface of what I think about shit like this.

I hope they sue the shit out of the PD and those officers spend a little unpaid administrative leave to contemplate the meaning of the public trust.

:shrug:

don't taser me. I keep food on me at all times just in case but still...sometimes the blood sugar can drop. I always stop if I feel weak. But you never know.

You do have diabetic ID on your person? Sometimes the police jump to conclusions with out considering alternative causes for unconsciousness.

came off.

What they don't get to do is hand out random unfounded tickets (he passed the sobriety tests given) to people especially while denying them the opportunity to prove their innocence.

That's not just wrong, it's unprofessional as hell.

The young man should file a formal complaint and get a lawyer.

Once he saw that the kid wasn't unconscious and wasn't drinking, that should have been the end of it.

The fact that you are going so far to try to justify the abuse, simply because the kid shouldn't have been looking at his cell phone, is really disgusting. One small wrong doesn't justify abusive, authoritarian police behavior.

If you really approve of that kind of behavior, may it only happen to you. x(

i have a bad leg so i guess i would get out kind of slow.

i guess what you are saying is that in such a case, i should be tasered.

The bgenefit of the doubt is always with the cops, isn't it? There's a long and sordid story going back centuries of police abuse, and enough taser stories to fill a 1000 page book on, but in the end... "They must've asked for it."

Bullshit! Cops are out of control, and we've as a society with you as one of their cheerleaders, have put them up on a pedestal as "heroes" and enabled them to become bullies on the people. So much so that we have univeristy professors hauled into jail because he SASSED a fucking cop!:puke:

the kid could have been turning the thing off for all we know. So let's stop with the pro-authoritarian nonsense.

He was so intently doing it he missed changing traffic signals. I hope the police pull anyone they have such a valid reason to suspect is intoxicated. How dare you suggest that pulling over an obviously impaired (by phone) driver is pro-authoritarian nonsense.

that threatening someone with a taser and citing them for DUI even while refusing to administer a breathalizer is anything but harrassment, plain and simple.

What part of this do you not get?!?

Not moving when traffic light changes sometimes happens.

Absolutely the police were right to check and make sure he was all right.

If they thought he was drunk -- THEY SHOULD HAVE ADMINISTERED THE BREATHALYZER.

That they refused to do so says they wasted our taxpayer dollars giving a citation that will not likely hold up in court.

Really was that fucking necessary? And what does this have to do with the threat of a tazer for no damn reason?

I'm sick of assholes spending more time with their cell phones than driving. This bad parent made a bigger stink about her child not even getting tasered, than she did about him endangering everyone on the road. There is no debating whether it impaired his ability to drive, he got pulled over because it did.

I'm sorry, I harbor a grudge after having too many near accidents with cell phone impaired drivers.

On that we agree.

about cell phones and driving.

and have you never in your life not done something quickly while stopped at a traffic light?

I've adjusted seat belt, taken off a too hot coat, grabbed a quick sip of a drink...any number of things that could have "looked like I was passed out at the wheel?" No excuse for threatening me with a taser.

Since they refused the breathalizer, he absolutely should fight this charge. They have no evidence and refused to gather any.

:eyes:

and accusing him of being impaired without conducting field sobriety tests? That sounds more like a pissed off cop who is acting on his own rage rather than enforcing the law.

a kid and make that kid's life difficult. So now the kid has to go to court and fight a charge of dui that even the officers know is nonsense just because the officers want to be assholes.

It was night, pitch black outside, and I wanted to make sure no bicyclists or others were going to cross in front of me in a suburban area with no streetlights. The cop said I had "slowed down in a known drug area" (which was BS-it was an upscale area). I think it was really my Obama bumper sticker that set him off. Once he checked me out after getting my ID he wrote me a ticket for "speeding through a stop sign while trying to hit his squad car" (a complete fabrication since he couldn't come up with anything else). I went to court and it took me $278.00 to clear my name with court fees, etc.-but I was found innocent.

I used to respect the police, but they've been steadily sucking away that respect!

:(

We should be able to sue Cops that are so obviously dishonest. x(

If they are going to keep abusing their authority just for shits and giggles they should lose their immunity.

a lack of respect.

Without a or breathalyzer or blood test, how can they possibly make the citation/charge stick?

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:bounce::toast::bounce:

Glad ta have ya aboard!

:hi:

PS. Don't let the idiots get ya down.

Peace...

and acting offended when they get hit with the tazer.

I'm also tired of people acting like the police should take unnecessary risks to their lives instead of tazing people.

they have out the window in favor of tasing and shooting people.

That's pretty fucking offended.

I'd love to know how he pulled that off.

....but a great opportunity for a fascist to play with his toy....

He had fallen from an overpass and broke his back.

How hard could he have been fighting?

At least that's so in my exchanges with him.

--imm

You just want to ignore what the police said about him. Which was that he was being uncooperative, verbally abusive, and in danger of getting into traffic or pushing officers into traffic.

It is not the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog. They have absolutely no way of knowing his medical status. They had no way of knowing if he was laying down or unable to get up.

You have some kind of accident and are unable to reply coherently or obey their commands. So they taze the hell out of you instead of calling an ambulance, just on the off-chance that you might be faking it.

Someone they could have tazed runs out in front of your car causing you to crash and kill an innocent person.

Thing is, you always make the excuse that something bad could have happened, they had to to do it. Even if the person is lying on the ground with a broken back...oh they might have gotten up and started running into traffic. Even though the cops also have nightstick and mace and tend to be big strong guys. Oh, the guy on the ground might have super powers.

Fortunately, most cops are smart than these ones. And much, much smarter than you. But I'm looking forward to the irony of you running into some dumb cops who taser you for no good reason. Of course, should I be driving along the freeway and I see police car with lights flashing pulled over on the shoulder, guess what? I'm doing to slow down and drive extra carefully. Because I am not an idiot.

He was not just lying on the ground. He was making verbal threats at the officers, endangering their lives by refusing to cooperate in a dangerous environment. You can be stupid and cavalier with your life, I don't expect police officers to have to. If someone is putting them in danger, they are justified in tazering them.

potty words
potty words
potty words

Boo!

:-)

While neither athletic nor especially powerfully built, if someone is lying on their back on the ground in front of me I'm pretty confident that I can, in fact, prevent them from getting up if I so choose. I feel equally confident of being able to simultaneously operate a radio.

Refusal to cooperate does not endanger my life, neither do verbal threats. Frankly, if you're lying supine on the ground you can talk shit at me all day and I won't break a sweat, just get annoyed. The side of a freeway is somewhat dangerous, but not that dangerous, especially if I have an official car with big flashing lights which will warn people away. Again, I'm comfortable with the idea of jumping on someone and restraining them if they make a sudden attempt to leap to their feet. Anyone who is reasonably physically fit with normal reflexes should be able to handle a 16 year old. The kid isn't exactly musclebound.

I mean really, dude, you sound like a total weenie. Have you ever been in a fight or defended yourself from anything? You sound like one of those people that just goes to pieces in any kind of remotely worrying situation, which is pretty much a recipe for becoming a victim, if you haven't become one already.

So you have no experience, are admittedly weak, and yet that doesn't stop you from believing you know everything. It is easy to be cavalier with your life with on the internet, while facing no danger at all. Ok, internet ninja. When was the last time you tried to restrain anyone ever? I've had to stop plenty of drunk friends from doing stupid shit without hurting them. It is not as easy as you postulate it to be.


I'll bet a hundred dollars that I could get up and at the very least one of us is going to get severely hurt in the process, probably me. .

19 fucking times!!!! He's in a coma, and you think he deserved it, 19 fucking times. You are some piece of work! with people like you cheering them on, it's no wonder why cops get away with being assholes.

Had the kid ran out in traffic and been splattered like a bug on a windshield, the cop haters would blame them for not doing anything about it. Anyone who believes the cops are going to taze someone 19 times who is laying on the ground and not moving has drank a bit more than their share of the kool-aid.

There's a question you're convieniently ignoring here. Just how and why did this kid jump or fall or whatever off the bridge? Nobody is blaming the cops for that (although that is somewhat surprising for DU but there's still time). It's quite possible the kid was suicidal which fits both the reason why he managed to take a swan dive off the bridge AND his reported behavior after the cops got there.

Every job is easy for those who don't have to do it.

They guy wasn't doing any serious moving around because he had broken his back in the fall. Stupid and irresponsible? Sure. Dangerous while lying on ground? Not. As for whether they'd do such a thing or not - in this case 'they' refers to unprincipled assholes who happen to be cops, not police officers in general: http://current.com/items/90528405_man-sodomized-by-police-taser-plans-to-sue.htm

I am not anti-poice, at all. I generally get on fine with police, I have several relatives who were police officers, and friends in the police. But there are also some police oficers who are assholes and shouldn't be in uniform.

I've heard that one before also. It's the same mentality that drives people to drop a completely unrelated example of cops sodomizing someone when they are trying to make a point.

Just because someone has "broken their back", doesn't mean they weren't moving around. I know people who have broken their back and didn't know it until they got an x-ray, and they weren't dropping acid out of a turkey baster. Some drugs can make a person impervious to pain and LSD is one of those drugs.

Since you didn't get it the first time, I'll repeat it. The only one who is saying the kid was "immobilized" is the kid himself who also said he doesn't remember anything from that night. The purpose of using a taser is to immobilize someone long enough to get restraints on them, so why in the hell would cops taser someone who is already immobilized? The best reason anyone can some up with for the tasering was because the cops didn't like what he was saying? You have got to be shitting me! There are people who actually believe the cops are going to taser someone who has jumped off a bridge and is lying there broken and immobile because they don't like what they are saying? You've got to be more than just a little unreasonably biased against cops to believe some silly shit as that.

By all accounts the kid was acting crazy as a shithouse rat and the most likely scenario is the cops saved his life by tasering him. The very best you could say about him is he's a serious delinquent that was clearly a serious danger to himself at the time. Yet the vast majority of people in this thread want to claim the taser put him in the hospital even though he jumped out of a car doing 60mph and he jumped off a bridge, they want to claim he was "immobilized" when he is the only one claiming that after also claiming he didn't remember anything, and they want to claim the cops are "unprincipled assholes", "fucking pigs", "crackers", and "lying piece of shit" even though there's a strong possibility they saved the kid's life.

If this is the best case that someone can make that cops are "unprincipled assholes" or any of the other shit they've been accused, I truly feel sorry for someone so bitter they can become that delusional.

All they know was that he was laying down at that moment. He was also screaming about how he was going to kill police officers. So is someone screaming they are going to kill the police a threat? How could someone screaming they are going to kill the police not be considered a threat?

That's about it. The kid had a broken back which might have made it a little hard to comply. Poor little cops - he hurt their feelings by talking mean to them. What bullshit.

Oh' well then. That's call for lethal injection! We can't allow smart mouth teenagers to live in our non-sick society.:eyes:

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I'm tired of assholes defending the pigs. :thumbsdown:

:puke:

seems to be a lot of that every time something like this comes up.

bitching about how other people are doing a job they are both unqualified for and unwelcome at.

I'm sure internet ninja boy never needs a tazer.

cops are never wrong.

They are always wrong

I mean they.

Maybe you might want to back your fat ass off that high horse dude. We SMELL you Tots. Like nasty diapers. Only not as necessary. SEE YA LOSER.

But whenever they are wrong, and it is revealed, someone like you appears to blur the issue by accusing the messenger of holding opinions they haven't expressed.

:rofl:

Nice :)

to be tazed 19 times?

They have no right to injure the public because it's more convenient for them than proper training and field experience. :thumbsdown:

that endanger their lives and the lives of everyone around?

Not being injured or killed in the line of duty is not just a convenience.

So they couldn't have possibly known that. It is disingenuous to say the least to harp on something no one could have known.

What they had was a obviously distraught person, screaming at the police, refusing to cooperate, and in a location that put the officers, the man, and the everyone on the road in serious danger.

:eyes:

DO NOT MOVE HIM UNTIL EMERGENCY PERSONNEL ARRIVES. You could paralyze the guy. Secure the area and call for help.

Don't miss the point on purpose. That's just as convenient as substituting a gizmo for "antiquated" effective training and field experience that produces officers qualified to make responsible and responsive decisions, rather than default to electrocuting the public.

because the alternatives endanger their lives and the lives of everyone around them.

...is attributing whatever imaginary danger is necessary to all potential situations involving policeman such that they are exempt from any moral consideration of the consequences of their actions.

This, for reasons which should be obvious, is a bad approach to judging how the police work.

:thumbsup:

Extremely succinct and to the point. My congratulations, this expresses my sentiments precisely. The only thing I would add is that this ginning up of false dangers is cowardly and destructive of any public confidence in the police. This behavior should be roundly condemned by any upstanding members of the police force, and any officer acting this way should be shamed into publicly apologizing at the very least.

:applause:

:yourock:

It's that black and white thinking, ineffective training and convenience that is causing severe injuries to innocent people.

See, we're not talking about some big guy waving his fists at the cops or throwing stuff around getting tased. That could well be appropriate, as might a variety of other options the police have at their disposal for dealing with a violent and powerful individual.

We're talking about someone who presents no obvious threat getting tased. You seem to think everyone poses some sort of hidden danger to the police and surrounding folk. The problem is that with such loose criteria you can justify tasing just about anyone - 'well sure, there was no reason to suspect danger, but that in itself is suspicious!' Perhaps police should bypass the compliance bit altogether and just tase everyone straight away, since there's always the possibility they'll present a threat at some later time. At least this would be consistent.

and he was NOT moving.

Et Tu, Glen Beck?
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I heard no evidence in this story that he fought anyone!

I don't think your sympathies should lie with the police in this case.

and the morons that defend them!

Hypocrite, if someone tasered your son, you would be screaming for bloody murder.

taser people lying on the ground with a broken back.

Police are there to serve and protect - not act like fucking stormtroopers with no brains.

I'm tired of idiots people like you.

There is not one excuse for what the cops did in this case. Not one!

behavior is.

There's no goddamn excuse for using a tazer on a teenager (or anyone else) with a broken back. None whatsoever. The cops who did this are fucking sadists who should be arrested and then left to rot. And people who make excuses for this are despicable.

behavior is.

Some people see a headline that says a "child" was tased 19 times and from that point on their eyes glaze over and all sense of reason goes completely out the window. From no more information than that, they determine that the cops are in the wrong and always will be.

Forget that the "child" was 16 and did enough LSD to keep Timothy Leary in business for a year. Forget that the "child" jumped out of a moving car going 60mph. Forget that the "child" jumped off a 30' bridge. Forget that the "child" was in the middle of a busy highway screaming incoherently and refused to get off.

Nope. It's all the cops fault. If the cops had done nothing and the "child" had gotten squashed like a bug on someone's windshield and the headline was then, "Cops watch as 'child' is ran over on a busy highway", then it would be the cops fault for that as well. But anyone who dares to challenge such foolish notions are "despicable". Right.

How much bullshit are the police going to have to poop out in the attempt to cover up their own depravity?

What a jerk you are.

and harrassing innocent people when simple common sense and follow procedures would resolve so much.

I say this as someone with several active duty LEOs in the family and as someone with a history of working for LE.

There have always been a few cops who are wrong for the job and I suspect they're the ones behind most of these taser abuse stories. Rather than clean house or train officers better on appropriate use the LE agencies continue to act like nothing's wrong here. Tasers are like electronic night sticks. Something that should be an effective, nonlethal deterrent in situations is being used like a toy. I hope the hell that taser use becomes limited soon because it has really gotten out of hand.

There is something wrong in this country where police abuse and brutality gets a pass, and everybody else must be guilty because a cop has a itchy trigger finger and a grudge.

Thousands of stories just like this one, and you still think that all the non-cops in society deserve what they get. Fuck you Pal!

Or was the tazing that the cop said was necessary to prevent him from getting hurt, result in his getting hurt?

but I'm wondering if they found him at the top, and the tasering is what caused him to fall. No witnesses saw the fall, and only the cops who tasered him say they found him after the fall.

Even if he just fell for no apparent reason and they found him after the fall, and tasered a guy lying on the ground with a broken back, their justification is that supposedly he was incoherent and mumbled something about shooting cops with guns. I'm guessing that is something they made up to justify the tasering after the fact.

I've been in that level of pain, often. I'm a chronic pain patient. If he was conscious at all, then if anything he might have been begging them to shoot HIM, not threatening to shoot them with some imaginary gun. So they went and shot him, but with a torture gun instead of a lethal one, so they could make his situation even worse.

I think the worst possibility is that they tasered him at the top of that overpass and caused the fall, and then tasered him some more at the bottom when he was asking them to just shoot him and get it over with.

But regardless of what really happened, even if it's the best case scenario of cops showing up and just torturing a broken kid on the side of a road for no good reason, we'll never see those cops punished for it. That kid will be in pain for the rest of his life, and the cops get away with whatever they did.

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They all need to take a deep breath and several steps backwards before just firing off their tasers.

"That's what cops do" is a lousy reason for doing something.

EDIT: I was just correcting the "unbelievable" thing. It's about the farthest thing from being unbelievable.

That's one reason they do it so much. It's so much fun for them.

Fucking pigs!

Pretty obvious. :shrug:

"I kill, therefore I am."
http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~trent/ochs/lyrics/i-kill-therefore-i-am.html

there is no mention of this story.

I remember this story from a thread a while back. The video posted is from 08.

I actually was wondering what the outcome of all this was. Probably an out-of-court-settlement.

I remember thinking how stupid the cops were in coming up with a cover story. He was supposedly lying on the ground, incoherent, but shouting "shoot cops, kill cops."

Yeah, that sounds believable.

apparently the cops were cleared of wrongdoing! Said the kid was on LSD (providing no proof whatsoever, didn't do the tests).

Didn't find anything beyond that the cops were cleared of all wrongdoing, accused kid of being on LSD.

Apparently, it's A-OK to tase someone lying immobile with a broken back if he's on LSD.

They also pulled up some older charge--may have been serious, may have been B.S., about a gun.

Don't know if the parents sued or not.

I find that a bit curious. Especially since Hutchinson is the only one who says he was immobile and he also said he can't remember anything from that night. It's a bit difficult to reconcile those two statements, no? Especially when a 911 caller reported that he was on the highway. Also both his friend who was at the party and the treating physician both said he was on LSD.

Probe clears Ozark Police officers for stun gun use on teen

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/33469239.html

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on the news report didn't make sense. How could this kid be a threat, even if he was saying "...kill cops..."? He's on the ground, obviously injured.

Why didn't the police consider that the teen may have experienced his first mental disturbance of paranoid schizophrenia? Or that his brain wasn't working right because of the fall? How stupid are some of these police?

The other sad part: surgery was delayed because the tazing caused a high fever from the increase in leukocytes.

to have tossed their brains and commonsense out the window. It's like some of them are practicing "Tase now, ask questions later" policing.

Granted, in some cases, lives of police and innocent bystanders ARE being threatened, but no one can tell me that is the case each and every time.

It is not on the station's website that is shown in the clip.

The clip is not from the station.

Something fishy here.

...trying to justify it by saying that the young man was shouting "kill cops" and the like.

Uh, sure, I believe that. That's what I'd be doing if I was lying there with a broken back.

Well maybe he muttered something to that effect, who knows. Or maybe he started saying it after they tased him. But no matter what he might have been saying, even one tase would have been one too many.

Well, looks like the family is going to have a windfall after they get through suing the pants off the city. I sure hope their son recovers.

what the hell kind of harm could he do to the cops if his back was broken?

This Rambo shit has got to stop.

one of the new Admins?

Tazered for his own protection. Are you fucking kidding me? :wtf:

The police ***KED UP.

The young man was well enough in late September early October to allegedly take potshots at a house.

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/30050359.html

Kid fell off a god damn bridge, of course he's incoherent.

Now the claim is nine times tasering - which is still too many times. It's kind of like multiple times waterboarding - how many times do they need to do it before they realize it is not really working as they intend?

The standard should NOT be, if someone doesn't do what a cop says, then the cop can taser him.

From his history, it's sounds as if they would have been doing society a favor by allowing him to take himself out of the gene pool.

Of course, then the family would sue the police because they DIDN'T taser him, and might actually then have a valid lawsuit.

Eating out of a dumpster and living on the streets. Then they would know how the people they kill feel.

--imm

I always get out of jury duty, because of my views on cops and the justice system. I just tell the judge I hate cops and don't believe anything they say.

It's possible that the youth was walking with a broken back and heel if he was under the influence of an hallucinogen. What is telling to me is the cops' contention is that there were so many shocks because neither officer was sure that the other's gun had made contact, and yet as you pointed out, how many times is it before they realize it's not effective? NINE times?

Especially when you have a a broken back.

I was a Taser shareholder back in 2002 and 2003. I attended shareholder meetings at their corporate HQ in Arizona. I even had the privelige of being zapped with one. Very painful. As an investor, I thought the Taser was a stroke of genius and a humanitarian tool for law enforcement. It has turned out to be quite the opposite, which is the main reason I sold my interest in this company.

The Taser was designed as a non lethal weapon to knock down dangerous suspects without having to kill them with a sidearm. The truth about the Taser is, it does not immobilize the suspect at all. It does give such a painful shock, the suspect usually immediately surrenders to the officer. The cops have decided the Taser is a compliance tool since it inflicts so much pain without leaving a mark. Torture techniques like using a broom handle on the soles of the feet, a pillowcase full of oranges, or waterboarding are similar forms of torture. The Taser COULD be a valuable tool for law enforcement, if cops were sophisticated enough to use it correctly. Unfortunately, most police officers are not. The Taser should be taken out of service.

I have volunteered myself to experience the effects of the taser. I have spoken (with some trepidation) to several departments and they all look at me as if they (the police departments)
have something to hide. To date, no acceptance of the offer.

Strange how they are willing to give demonstrations on TV and youtube, but will not talk to a civilian about it.

If they were trying to keep the teenager (I don't consider a 16 year old a child) out of traffic they needed something else. If a rodeo cop had been there with his rope he could have lassoed the confused young man out of traffic.

waiting...........

Now did you?

:grr:

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Mace Hutchinson is the kid's name, to look up.

http://www.ky3.com/home/video/25829234.html

"He refused to comply."

Departments are issuing guidelines that say that if a person ever doesn't do what they are told to do, the taser is to be used to get compliance.

There needs to be a shift in the areas where tasers are acceptable.

Zapping somebody because they are laying on the ground and not obeying commands should not be acceptable.

Department policy is treating them like dog shock collars, instead of the less lethal weapons they are.

Police had to use some kind of judgment in deciding their course of action. Taser is just too fucking easy to get abusive with.

Cops still carry these too. They don't mark that much.

I have met some really stupid, uneducated heads of police departments. And those are the guys making policy. They very well may be the same guys who use a cattle prod to get compliance from ornery bulls at their farm, and they may very well have an invisible fence around their yard which shocks their dog to get compliance.
No surprise they see a taser as a harmless way to get compliance from unruly suspects.

They probably see the taser as safer than wrestling around with suspects and possibly getting somebody hurt.

But zapping somebody who is lying on the ground? Damn. I see that as a lot like hitting them with a nightstick because they are lying on the ground.

Tasers are for adrenalin junky cops that don't like to work that hard for their buzz, or get *popped flush* in the teeth with a straight-right in the process

it should be disturbing to us that they are even in use.

Taking people into custody is a dangerous business with or without tasers. Every study which has been conducted on them has proven their safety and effectiveness. Certainly they can be abused, but the same goes for flashlights, fists, pepperspray, or any other non-leathal methods of control. Alternatively you can believe all the nonsense and pseudo-science put out by those with a clear agenda and bias. Take your pick.

were paid for by the Taser company.
It is frightening to see that a taser can paralyze someone if even for only a few seconds.

The most comprehensive study to date was a university study paid for by the Dept. of Justice that dispels the myths perpetuated by Amnesty International and others.

If the use of tasers is frightening to you, then you probably haven't spent any time considering the alternatives. Any sort of physical method is more dangerous both to the suspect and to police.

What is truly frightening is people who would petition to remove a useful tool from law enforcement which is far safer and more effective than the alternatives based on junk science and ignorance.

http://www.insurgentamerican.net/2007/05/28/why-people-hate-cops

CBC News Tests Tasers - Proves Tasers Unsafe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UuhobeKjcs

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/05/12/taser-inquiry.html

www.braidwoodinquiry.ca/presentations/dr_zian_tseng.pdf

Those that have to resort to ad hominem attacks to try and make their points are pathetic at best. You're certainly no exception. Not only could you not refute my argument, you proved I was right and I commend you for it.


Nothing more than anecdotes from an obviously biased source.


They tested older model tasers and found some of them produced higher than expected voltages. They didn't even come close to proving they were "Unsafe".


From your own source:
Despite the risks, Tasers do help prevent death and injuries, said Smith, pointing to statistics from a study done by Peel Regional Police in Ontario that found a 37 per cent reduction in officer injuries and 47 per cent reduction in suspect injuries and deaths over a two-year period after Tasers were introduced.


Braidwood was quoted as saying, “Deploying a conducted energy weapon against an emotionally disturbed person is, in most cases, the worst possible response.” However, the report concluded that on balance Tasers are a net benefit to society, in many cases allowing police officers to resolve situations just by displaying the weapon. (emphasis added).