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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:07 PM
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Texas public schools now required to teach the Bible
I can't figure out if it's now 'required to offer' or required as the title indicates. Either way...

http://www.examiner.com/x-8948-Dallas-Atheism-Examiner~y2009m8d16-Texas-public-schools-now-required-to-teach-the-Bible

Texas public schools now required to teach the Bible
August 16, 9:05
Kacey Cornell


As of the 2009-2010 school year public schools in Texas are now required to offer a high school elective course on the literature of the Bible and history of that era. House Bill No. 1287 explains that the course “must be taught in an objective and non-devotional manner that does not attempt to indoctrinate students as to either the truth or falsity of the Judeo-Christian biblical materials”. It goes on to say that schools can add courses on other religious texts if they would like, but only the one on the Bible is required.

Regardless of the guidelines the bill attempts to place on schools/teachers (such as mentioned above), this decision is bias in favor of one particular religious text. A philosophy class would be acceptable and is something much more important to teach than just one religious text. This shows favor to one religion and indirectly promotes Christianity.

Another important issue to consider is that other elective classes may be cancelled because of this new class requirement. Schools are short staffed as is and are lacking funds yet they’re being forced to make room for the book that is the basis for Christianity. If any school board chooses to use the curriculum from the National Council On Bible Curriculum In Public Schools they might want to be prepared for a lawsuit. At least two school boards have been sued over using this curriculum yet over 312 schools (in 37 states) have applied it. The curriculum has been criticized as being bias and historically incorrect.

Christianity does not belong in the classroom, but the philosophy of religion –teaching the various religious texts and ideas, including the skeptic point of view– would be so much more beneficial and honest considering the great impact religions have had on our world. This favoritism shows a lack of integrity and is one-sided in a way that could misguide students into following the text of Christianity, because that is what’s being taught to them. Granted, this is an elective course so students do not have to take it, but students could be forced to do so by their parents or it may be their only choice if the school they attend does not have many electives available.
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:10 PM
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1. I think it is both
If I understand it, they are required to offer the elective, so they are required to teach the Bible. Not everyone is required to take it. What an unfunded mandate.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:10 PM
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2. "history of that era"
I don't consider from the time the sun came into existence until the time Jesus died to be one era.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:10 PM
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3. It is an elective
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 07:13 PM by Incitatus
The schools are required to teach it, but no student will be forced.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:13 PM
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4. comparative religion is a much better idea
but of course, this law is not designed to create critical thinkers.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:16 PM
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5. This is so wrong in so many ways.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:19 PM
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6. fuckin christ. religion is NOT being forced on kids in our schools in texas. nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:23 PM
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7. Have you checked out Texas House bill 1287? I don't know
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:25 PM
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9. ah
its you. lol lol lol. ah ha. i have never had any of my kids have anything to do with religion in any of their public schools. i understand it is an elective. but no.... sssssh, i havent

IF it is ever demanded of my kids, welll..... i dont know if i will raise a stink, or let the kids feeling point out the hypocrisy, consistencies with other religion and teach the class tolerance, acceptance and love, wink.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:27 PM
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10. i am going to get it
from the principals of the high school and middle school this week so i will know what is up.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:30 PM
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11. Great! Please let us know what they say. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:32 PM
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12. you know. lol lol. i know from experience. but then better to get facts before
i spew outrage. lol lol

i will
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:23 PM
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8. This may come back to bite them! In college, eons ago, my first literature
class was entitled something like "The Bible as Literature". Turned my Christian background upside down! When I went to school finals were after Christmas break. I sought out my Lutheran pastor during the break with many questions most of which really weren't answered. I got a "C" and felt lucky to escape with that!

Having recently been told I need to find a different place to live (by my husband!),I am looking forward to happily leaving this state...this required elective offering is so typical of many attitudes here that I find difficult to find endearing. Sorry, fellow Texans.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:44 PM
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15. In tenth grade honors English we studied the Bible as Literature...
The Old Testament.

And I'm still a confirmed Agnostic.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:17 PM
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20. Yeah, my World Lit class had a section like that.
It was completely useless for anything outside the limits of that class--in fact, it was useless in understanding much of the literature we had to read later. A decent sized chunk of 'world literature' was European literature, and that stuff was riddled with Bible allusions.

Most people didn't get them. The teacher didn't get many of them--except in Dante, since she was a Dante specialist.

My Pushkin teacher told us literature students near the end of our first year of grad school that the most useful stuff we could read over the summer was the Bible and some of the CPSU missives. The Bible, if we wanted to understand pre-Soviet literature; the CPSU stuff if we wanted to follow socialist realist stuff. Of course, he said the second most useful stuff would be history--not modern revisionist histories, but history as people living shortly after the events saw it.

Most of the students scoffed. Then, come fall, when we were in Dostoevky or had to read Tolstoy or other Russian "classics" they were lost. I put away my Russian-language Baptist translation, which I had used for language practice, and tracked down the traditional Russian translation, the "Slavonic" translation. Sometimes a single sufficiently Slavonic word was enough to inform the reading of a passage.

A professor at a top research school had the same problem. She was teaching a course that focused on a particular medieval Russian narrative. She had learned the text when she was in grad school, and her believer husband helped her out when her turn came to teach it. Yet a grad student in the class--a fundie, by most standards here--ran rings around her *in class*, spotting allusions and using those allusions to easily adduce likely meanings for difficult passages, and to inform readings of even rather prosaic passages, to make them resonate, if not as they would have to people at the time, then certainly more than they did to most 25-year-old Americans. It wasn't just knowledge of the Bible, however--it was specifically knowledge of Orthodox interpretations of the Bible that were needed. The 'fundie' had learned them, realizing she'd need them. The other students figured that there was no need to be concerned with the book that the monks, who wrote this narrative and for whom it was written, read out of daily and made the center of their lives. Eh, unimportant, they stupidly and quite arrogantly thought.

The Bible *should* be read a few times through, with the proper historical interpretations provided (regardless of the belief system of the teacher or students, and without pushing either towards accepting them or towards ridiculing them) because it's key to understanding a fair amount of classical literature. If you have no use for things written before, say, 1920, then there's no need to know Bible allusions. Even fairly secular stuff still had such allusions, because the secular writers, like the faithful, had all gone to church and been catechised in their youth, so it provided a readily available and fairly universal system of metaphors and allusions that they could all tap into, and which most of them did.

I believe the same about Roman and Greek mythology. I read a fair amount of it, but still my knowledge wasn't hardly sufficient for when it came time to read pre- and early Romantic literature. Doesn't mean that it should be taught to convert us to worshipping Zeus or Artemis, nor that it's necessary to mock it when it's taught. But it should be taught.

As for Buddhism, Taoism, Native American tales or African or Aborigine creation myths, they're of less importance. They illuminate little or nothing beyond themselves, and are simply of less importance in understanding Western culture.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:32 AM
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21. I think you'll agree that grad work is a long way from scholastic
understanding. As a poster up the line mentioned comparative studies would probably be more relevant to the present day world. I would love to see any state teach in the Joseph Campbell style to help prepare students for life.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:42 PM
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13. "must be taught in objective, non-devotional manner"
Yeah, that'll work.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:42 PM
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14. Yeah. Like they know how to read...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:46 PM
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16. tell ya what. as my sons work their ass off to be supportive to dems, informed
at very young ages, educated by this very texas school system for the better of society as a whole

why dont you make a jab at them for their reading skills

even though they are way beyond than average

and they have both a closet and room full of books

reading fiction and non fiction alike

regularly reading times, smithsonian, national geographic

what a fucked up comment you made
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:00 PM
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19. lol. told son to read comment. you kinda knocked him on his butt. got a wow. gonna
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 08:04 PM by seabeyond
pull out his almanac, and wants me to let you know, the son that cant read, pulling almanac he keeps next to bed.....

michigan.... has a 73% high school, texas 74%

both have 66% above average reading achievement

SAT mean score.... per college board

sat seniors that took test in texas, 50%
michigan 6%..... huge ass WTF. why is that? seriously, do yawl take a test other than sat cause i dont get this. mississippi, iowa, s and n dakota are 3%. i am not getting this number. new york and dc is 84%

anyway (my son read your post, i didn't read it to him, even with my california education, wink).

*illiterate son couldn't buy the info he read, so with further research he learned yawl use act test.... not so much sat.





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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:48 PM
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17. Recommend
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stuball111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:52 PM
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18. Well then.. I guess it would be cool...
To get Home-Ec, Shop, Math, and Science as part of the program in the local church then? Yessirree... dissecting frogs, teaching evolutionism, sex ed, and building cabinets and overhauling Chevy engines in the pews... I'm all for it!
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