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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:39 PM
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Novak claims CIA Chief Hayden is confused, for identifying Plame as 'covert'
Novak just can't get over the fact that he outed a covert Agent...


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2007/04/12/cia_politics&Comments=true

CIA Politics
By Robert D. Novak


WASHINGTON -- Seated at the Washington Gridiron dinner March 31, I was interrupted by a man crouching at my feet who was dressed Air Force formal with the four stars of a full general. It was CIA Director Michael Hayden, who complained to me profanely that my column had misrepresented him in the Valerie Plame Wilson case. Denying he favors Democrats, Gen. Hayden indicated to me he had not authorized Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman to say Mrs. Wilson had been a "covert" CIA employee, as he claimed Hayden did, but only that she was "undercover."

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At the Gridiron, I heard Hayden tell me he actually referred to Mrs. Wilson only as "undercover." He apparently said the same thing to Toensing, who testified as a Republican-requested witness at the March 16 hearing. On April 4, she wrote Hayden that in three Gridiron conversations "in front of different witnesses you denied most emphatically, that you had ever told" Waxman "that Valerie Plame was 'covert.' You stated you had told Waxman he could use the term 'undercover' but 'never' the term 'covert.'"

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The confusion deepened when I obtained Waxman's talking points for the hearing. The draft typed after the Hayden-Waxman conversation said, "Ms. Wilson had a career as an undercover agent of the CIA." This was crossed out, the hand-printed change saying she "was a covert employee of the CIA."

Who had made this questionable but important change? Hayden told me Tuesday that the talking points were edited by a CIA lawyer after conferring with Waxman's staff. "I am completely comfortable with that," the general assured me. He added he now sees no difference between "covert" and "undercover" -- an astounding statement, considering that the criminal statute refers only to "covert" employees.

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Mike Hayden was brought into the CIA as an intelligence professional when President Bush fired Porter Goss, who had retired from Congress to go to Langley at the president's request. Goss thought he had a mandate to clean up an agency whose senior officials delivered private anti-Bush briefings during the 2004 campaign. The confusion over Valerie Plame's status suggests the CIA gave Waxman what he wanted, even if the director of central intelligence seemed confused.



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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:42 PM
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1. Uh, an undercover CIA agent is a covert one in plain English.
What's confusing about this? If you're not undercover, you can't be covert, can you? That makes no sense.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:44 PM
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4. since Plame's testimony Novak has gone loony tunes over the whole
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 11:50 PM by sabra
covert thing. He even accused Hayden as a Dem operative :crazy:
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:44 PM
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2. Novak seems to have broken out into a flop sweat
Perhaps he now realizes a charge of treason against him is not impossible.

Struggle all ya want, dinosaur. That's a tar pit you've fallen into.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:44 PM
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3. omg Novakula get back in the box!
my god put the shovel down Bob, show's over.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:46 PM
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5. Did one of Americas most famous, modern traitors say something?
Gee, talk about a battle between an 18 wheeler and a compact! Looks like Judas is working hard on getting into real trouble.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:46 PM
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6. I'm confused as to how miscreants like Novak get so much airtime and a column of their own
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:48 PM
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7. Novak should sit down, pour himself a good stiff drink,
then contemplate on what a treasonous shit he has been to this country. Pull the 38 from the drawer, and then end it.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 12:44 AM
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13. I would prefer he use the Godfather2 method....hot bath and slit your wrists.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:51 PM
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8. And Novak would know this, how?
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 12:06 AM by Old and In the Way
Quit while you're still behind Bob....you've helped to damage our ability to interdict WMD proliferation. You are part of the problem. Unless you want to explain in front of Congress, under subpeona, how you would know the secret status of our CIA NOC's I would suggest you drop it.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:54 PM
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9. Novak knows, repeat the lie enough and a certain amount will believe anything as fact.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 11:59 PM
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10. Actually Novak proved that she was covert: CIA was not her employer of public record.
Brewster-Jennings was. Ergo, she was a CIA employee with nonofficial cover, i.e. a NOC, aka "covert."
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 12:19 AM
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11. Oh.My.God.
The Douche Bag of Liberty strikes again!
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MaineYooper Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 12:29 AM
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12. What is it in the conservative mind that forces it to ignore "experts"?
You know, those who are in a position or have the training and experience to actually have informed opinions and answers?!?

Let's see...

Valerie Plame's status: who should know? the CIA. Nope they must be wrong, since Novakula and Victoria Toensing say she wasn't covert.

Global warming: the overwhelming consensus in the climate science community is that it's real, and that it's highly likely that mankind is responsible for at least part of it. BUT wait, there are two or three people with advance degrees and funding from Mobil-Exxon who disagree.

Evolution: There is simply no debate in the world of professional biologists. But a few engineers and mathematicians with demonstrable biases say that it has to be design, since they just can't see how random chance could have given us the life we observe.

Stem cell research: Again, the scientific community, you know, those people who've spent their lives studying related topics, consistently has said that embryonic stem cells have the most promise due to their totipotency, as compared with "adult stem cells", which due to partial differentiation can only produce a limited spectrum of cells. Yet, Sam Brownback, Ricky whatshisname, or pResident Little Boots will disregard this completely.

Have I missed any?


What galls me the most in this, is that as a professional scientist, I understand that not every decision is made solely on the basis of the best science. There are always economic, social, ethical, or political issues that can overrule the science. The infuriating thing is that these bastards are not even willing to admit that the science, as evidenced by the opinions of the people best trained to understand it, is against them. The intellectual dishonesty is staggering, and incredibly damaging, since it has the effect of diluting the value of an informed opinion.

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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 01:01 AM
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14. Novak is guilty of Treason
What he did must be tormenting him, as he is continually trying to invent a new reality to explain his actions.

Outing a covert agent in time of war is a treasonous act.
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AndreaCG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:19 AM
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15. OK, compared to Novak, Imus is a saint.
Everything's relative.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:53 AM
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16. I don't think he should be allowed to continue as a journalist.
For one thing, he was involved in a political crime that has repercussions for this nation.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 07:04 AM
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17. A general crouching at his feet - is he hearing imaginary voices now?
Generals don't crouch at anybody's feet.
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